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Old 31.08.2011, 20:02
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Re: Requesting a new RAV advisor

If you want to start a business or work as an independent, RAV/ORP give you three months to do so, then you are on your own. Anything else is considered gaming the system.

They want you to collect or get off the pot. lol.

ETA: I should get back on topic. The RAV people really can't help you find a job. So, perhaps you have too high expectations. If that's not it, then you should request a new advisor on the basis of language issues. Tell them you are trying very hard but sometimes you think their may be a language barrier & you would like someone who speaks English in case you need clarification. Something like that. Don't say you find him unhelpful.
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Re: Requesting a new RAV advisor

This is reasonable. I think the problems arise when people through agencies are retained as temporary employees: if you are able to manipulate your working hours but not be in control of the company, then opportunities exist to optimise your RAV payout after leaving permanent employment for a long long time as another poster has illustrated.

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If you want to start a business or work as an independent, RAV/ORP give you three months to do so, then you are on your own. Anything else is considered gaming the system.

They want you to collect or get off the pot. lol.
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Old 31.08.2011, 21:17
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This is reasonable. I think the problems arise when people through agencies are retained as temporary employees: if you are able to manipulate your working hours but not be in control of the company, then opportunities exist to optimise your RAV payout after leaving permanent employment for a long long time as another poster has illustrated.

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I wish I was retained by somebody! Tuesday & Wednesday for next week just got cancelled, 7 days were cancelled in August all at the last minute. I even had a cancellation at 06.45 in the morning for a 7.00 start in Basel, they did not want to pay anything even through I had left home over an hour before.

Last year I had 1 day a week in Geneva for 7 months, unfortunately that company is no longer in business.

I always assumed it would be relatively easy to get 5-10 days a month, that was my experience for my first 2 years, working for 12 employers in 6 countries. Most of the jobs were 2-5 days, with 3 different companies a month on average.

2 years later & the biggest job this year has been 1.5 days, still usually working for 3 companies, however only 1 day for a foreign company the Strong CHF is the cause of that.

It looks like the only viable option is to increase my price by 30- 50%, then 3-4 days a month wouldl be quite reasonable. Mr AYB, what would you do in my situation?
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ETA: I should get back on topic. The RAV people really can't help you find a job. So, perhaps you have too high expectations. If that's not it, then you should request a new advisor on the basis of language issues. Tell them you are trying very hard but sometimes you think their may be a language barrier & you would like someone who speaks English in case you need clarification. Something like that. Don't say you find him unhelpful.
Thanks for that. I'm going to think it over and decide whether it's worth it or not, but the issues do largely stem from a language gap. I've tried to explain to him that at times that can lead to misunderstandings, which i think he understood on some level.
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Re: Requesting a new RAV advisor

That's a matter for you. If you can support yourself on 3-4 days a month through high fees then deep respect.

What I find difficult to accept is Arbeitslosenkasse is paying for your down time while you sit on your arse, well beyond the three month startup support.

So maybe you should modify your "business plan" and support yourself.

To be honest I think we are revisiting the same issues here and it seems you are unable to appreciate what I am getting at.

There are many people that really need unemployment financial support to get back on their feet. It has occurred to me that perhaps my time is best used answering their queries insofar as I can.

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It looks like the only viable option is to increase my price by 30- 50%, then 3-4 days a month wouldl be quite reasonable. Mr AYB, what would you do in my situation?
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Old 01.09.2011, 06:09
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Re: Requesting a new RAV advisor

I think I know why it's not allowed for me to be self employed, it's a taxation issue.

1) I always work at the Employers premises, it's not possible to work from home-

2) The Employer supplies the equipment necessary for me to carry out my work. When I work in ZH the equipment is unique to CH, I am the only person who has used the equipment since 1994. I got a 'B' permit as nobody in CH could do the job.
It's not used very much any more, one of the reasons the original company went bankrupt,

3) The Employer states the time that I carry out the work.


In the UK after 1985 it was not possible to be self employed or work through a service company with such a situation. The revenue also produced a list of jobs which were not acceptable for self employment.

Generally for Self employment you have to provide some tools of your trade & choose the hours you work. If you have ever stayed at home hoping the plumber might turn up you will understand the difference.

Any advice to 'get back on my feet' would be appreciated.

Best FMF.

EDIT If you become self employed your rahemnfrist doubles from 2 - 4 years, if the business fails you can still go back to the RAV during that time to claim any unused days, so forcing self employment (if it was allowed) to someone without even a business plan does not seem that clever, especially if they hardly ever make a claim on the insurance.


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That's a matter for you. If you can support yourself on 3-4 days a month through high fees then deep respect.

What I find difficult to accept is Arbeitslosenkasse is paying for your down time while you sit on your arse, well beyond the three month startup support.

So maybe you should modify your "business plan" and support yourself.

To be honest I think we are revisiting the same issues here and it seems you are unable to appreciate what I am getting at.

There are many people that really need unemployment financial support to get back on their feet. It has occurred to me that perhaps my time is best used answering their queries insofar as I can.

Good luck
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Re: Requesting a new RAV advisor

I made the move from unemployed to self-employed a while back, I had the most laid back (to the point of lazy, but nice guy though) RAV advisor ever, which actually suited me fine as I was focussed on setting myself up. When he was on holiday I had to go to another advisor who had already lined up 3 interviews for me before I had met her and was very strict with all the requirements etc.

I just wanted to say be careful about changing, you might get a worse one, although my guy was supportive about the self-employment thing.

Good luck btw!
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Old 01.09.2011, 22:21
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Re: Requesting a new RAV advisor

OK, It would be hugely beneficial if I could find a way of being 100% self employed. Back of an envelope calculations indicate that I could have a huge advantage by doing so. I have been told it's against the law in my case by both the RAV & fachstelle für selbständigkeit. I will be working for exactly the same companies that I have been over for the last 5 years, nothing material is going to change.

Could miniMia & AhYesBut tell why how the advice I have been given is incorrect & how I can go further in this matter.

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Old 01.09.2011, 23:32
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OK, It would be hugely beneficial if I could find a way of being 100% self employed. Back of an envelope calculations indicate that I could have a huge advantage by doing so. I have been told it's against the law in my case by both the RAV & fachstelle für selbständigkeit. I will be working for exactly the same companies that I have been over for the last 5 years, nothing material is going to change.

Could miniMia & AhYesBut tell why how the advice I have been given is incorrect & how I can go further in this matter.

Many thanks as always FMF
Nope.

Your case seems very strange to me. In fact, I thought that kind of thing was not allowed on the employers side because you are really a de facto employee and it's considered AVS avoidance or whatever. However, you say you work for more than one company. I don't understand how it can be against the law.

Maybe you need to set up a company.
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Old 02.09.2011, 08:19
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Nope.

Your case seems very strange to me. In fact, I thought that kind of thing was not allowed on the employers side because you are really a de facto employee and it's considered AVS avoidance or whatever. However, you say you work for more than one company. I don't understand how it can be against the law.

Maybe you need to set up a company.
Yes my case is unusual, I don't have any contracts of employment either. They don't pay accident insurance either as I dont work at least 8 hours a week every week for the same employer. In theory that is covered by the RAV and deducted from my benefit pay. However most months there is no benefit pay, even their lawyers don't really know if I am insured or not. The counsellors say yes as everybody with the RAV is insured.

If my was self employed the RAV would cover the insurance 100% sure sure... I suspect my accident insurance ends when I get home at night from work.

Setting up a company does not achieve the task, I need a legal way to be 100% self employed.

I expect many more jobs to to in this direction, it's hugely cost saving to companies. They expected my day rate to be 1/20 monthly salary, I laughed & said 1/4. Most Swiss in a similar position seem to accept about 1/20. Speaking German they have the advantage of being able to walk into Mcdonalds & get a job.

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Fatmans, whatever you say on this post or others you have contributed to on the same theme just doesn't add up, you're milking the system it would seem. 1+1 makes 2, with you and your explications it could be anything between 2 and 11 !

You say your skills are highly rated, yet you get cancelled for jobs, even when you have left home for a job. In anybody else's book that would entail at the very least a cancellation fee, and should the client refuse to pay, well you just refuse to go in future.........After all you say your skills are unique and they need you rather than the other way around, so they'll come back surely ?

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Fatmans, whatever you say on this post or others you have contributed to on the same theme just doesn't add up, you're milking the system it would seem. 1+1 makes 2, with you and your explications it could be anything between 2 and 11 !

You say your skills are highly rated, yet you get cancelled for jobs, even when you have left home for a job. In anybody else's book that would entail at the very least a cancellation fee, and should the client refuse to pay, well you just refuse to go in future.........After all you say your skills are unique and they need you rather than the other way around, so they'll come back surely ?
That company did pay a cancellation. Fee in the end, just never worked fir them again!

Some of what I do is unique CH, however my competition is London, Paris , Milan & new York .

At today's exchange there is no way to be competitive , from 2000 - 2008 it was cheaper in CH, times change.

Having 100% of a tiny Market is not good!
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The latest was that he refused to let me take one day holiday during a scheduled course (two months away) and seemed to imply that he would refuse to allow me holiday in general at the moment (even though I've got loads of days saved up) since I should be focused solely on finding a job.
Then it's extremely simple.
The guy 's not flexible.
There's "dumb processes" which you disagree.

You've been "playing the rules" but request an exceptional day off, in a far away schedule.


Then bypass that stupid system.

Don't communicate everything to the RAV advisor, and pretend to be sick on that day!
I'm quite sure they are not checking for a day of holiday.
(of course check what's the rules about that before...)
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Re: Requesting a new RAV advisor

I'm sorry, FatMan, I just don't believe it is "illegal" for you to go out on your own. I'm sorry. I don't.

As for accident insurance. That's an accident waiting to happen. Get accident insurance from your health insurance. Just do it!

If anything, as I said above, it's your employer that could be in trouble.

Anyway, What is it that you do?
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I'm sorry, FatMan, I just don't believe it is "illegal" for you to go out on your own. I'm sorry. I don't.

As for accident insurance. That's an accident waiting to happen. Get accident insurance from your health insurance. Just do it!

If anything, as I said above, it's your employer that could be in trouble.

Anyway, What is it that you do?
I just spoke with my main employer, they will not accept trading with me as an independent for 2 reasons, The AHV/AVS fraud for 1 & an issue with copyright, the work has to be done as an employee.

Accident insurance from health insurance is not the same, it just covers hospital bills, work provided accident insurance insures your salary as well.

I have had a discussion with the employer about accident insurance as well, there position is correct in LAW, the RAV should provide the insurance in my case!

90% of my work is servicing the watch industry, so one would have thought being in CH would be a good choice.

Looks like I have 2.5 days confirmed for September, just 1 more (or some overtime) & it will be another month without a claim against the RAV!
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I just spoke with my main employer, they will not accept trading with me as an independent for 2 reasons, The AHV/AVS fraud for 1 & an issue with copyright, the work has to be done as an employee.

Accident insurance from health insurance is not the same, it just covers hospital bills, work provided accident insurance insures your salary as well.

I have had a discussion with the employer about accident insurance as well, there position is correct in LAW, the RAV should provide the insurance in my case!

90% of my work is servicing the watch industry, so one would have thought being in CH would be a good choice.

Looks like I have 2.5 days confirmed for September, just 1 more (or some overtime) & it will be another month without a claim against the RAV!
I'm sending a PM as this is getting totally OT for the OP. (nice jargon, eh!?)
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I'm sorry, FatMan, I just don't believe it is "illegal" for you to go out on your own. I'm sorry. I don't.
I thought I would check the situation in the states, to see what the situation is there, I think AYB is American.


The requirements for being considered an independent contractor in the eyes the IRS are quite specific and are available on their website, and really only concern taxes, or rather who pays the taxes.

Actually everyone is an employee, unless you can prove otherwise. You should check with an accountant and/or tax attorney, but unless you are in an elevated tax bracket, it probably is not worth the expense of establishing yourself as an independent contractor.

Nearly all state Labor Boards and/or Commissions, etc. have their own criteria for determining whether or not someone is an employee. Even though a producer may try to claim that you are a contractor, or even have an independent contractor agreement with you, it will not cut much ice with a state labor board.

State boards usually -- and correctly -- see independent contractor status as a means for producers to avoid paying payroll and unemployment taxes, etc.

If they tell you when to show up, whether they pay you by the hour or by the day, you are, from the standpoint of the Cal labor board.... an employee.

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