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Old 20.09.2011, 12:44
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Proof of Unemployment

My husband has to provide proof of my umemployment by 30th September. If he is unable to do so by that date, then he will have to repay the tax allowance he has received these past months for me, his wife, we have no children. Apparently without this proof, we are both counted as working according to the Swiss System

I am at my wits end and appreciate member's advice on this.

Before this seasonal job he had in Switzerland, we were both unemployed in UK. We were signing with DHSS (Jobcentre) as a joint-claim, couple. I was advised that if my husband found a job, then I would have to sign-off. So I did that, so I do not know how to or where to Obtain Proof of Unemployment?

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Old 20.09.2011, 13:55
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Re: Proof of Unemployment

Are you at least registered with the RAV as unemployed? Then you can prove you are unemployed.

If your questions were more detailed, you would get better answers.
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Old 20.09.2011, 14:08
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My husband has to provide proof of my umemployment by 30th September.
  • Call from a payphone and ask if you can extend the date to the 31st September.
  • After the abusive response arrange a meeting on the 30th
  • Your husband should not shave from the 27th September.
  • Both turn up late, claiming that you needed to see the end of the "Adam's Family" re-run on TV, and then stop to buy smokes.
  • Preferable attire is an old shirt, jeans, and flip-flops.
..... This alone should adequately prove your unemployment.


Alternatively, supporting documents from your previous employer, and confirmation that you have been receiving unemployment benefits should also be enough.


Being Switzerland, I would expect the staff to be helpful enough to tell you what you need to provide, so you should you call and ask.
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Old 20.09.2011, 14:14
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Re: Proof of Unemployment

Reminds me my country, where "proof of survival" was required to do some stuff. Hey look, its me... frigging alive! can't you see!
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Old 20.09.2011, 14:17
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Re: Proof of Unemployment

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No, neither he nor I are receiving Social Assistance, whatever that is.

There is a different tax band if a man is married with a wife not working in Switzerland, whether the wife is living in Switzerland or another country the Swiss Tax system still takes the unemployed wife into account.

Problem is how to prove it?
Prove that I am unemployed.

Unfortunately we have only been told of this requirement in past couple of days with short time frame to respond.


Ittengen,
Your post seems to have changed since I started to type this reply. No I am not registered with RAV as unemployed. – Thought one had to have worked in Switzerland before one could register with RAV.

I appreciate this is an odd question, I have written to the JobCentre in UK that dealt with our case at the time, but do not hold out much hope of a reply or a helpful reply.


Thanks for your interest.
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Old 20.09.2011, 14:33
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Re: Proof of Unemployment

Billhardie

Thanks your response at 14:08



To say I am unable to provide proof of unemployment benefit whilst he has been working in Switzerland, as I had to sign-off in the UK, as he had a job.


Any other idea greatly appreciated
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Old 20.09.2011, 14:38
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Re: Proof of Unemployment

As you were unemployed in the UK, I think you can get reciprocal benefits here, whilst looking for a job It's probably only for 3 months.I would go to the to the RAV & sign on then you will be in the system.

If you worked for at least 12 months in the UK over the last 24 I think they would have to accept you.
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Old 20.09.2011, 14:40
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You can register at the RAV and receive technical help looking for a job. You won't get any money from the Arbeitslosenkasse, but a load of paperwork. You might get financial help if you were qualified to receive UK unemployment benefit. Take these letters to the tax office, and ask them if that is OK.

First thing: go and register as unemployed looking for work at your local RAV office. Take all your relevant job seeking papers & DHSS papers from the past two years, plus your Passport and Permit.
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Old 20.09.2011, 14:43
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Re: Proof of Unemployment

Moggy, did you call and ask what exactly this proof of unemployment is?

I had to deliever a similar "document" which was basically the letter I got from the last employer saying that the contract was terminated on date X and would not be working for them anymore. In your case, even a letter from the Jobcenter proving you are no longer inscribed with them and don't have/didn't have a job with them might do the trick.

But really, just call and ask the proper department! No one else can give you a better answer!
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Old 20.09.2011, 14:47
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Re: Proof of Unemployment

I'm not sure how much this will help because it isn't exactly the same situation but here are my two centimes:

My husband and I used to live in the US. For the last 10 months that we were there he wasn't working and I was. When we returned to Switzerland (my husband is Swiss) we had to 'prove' that he wasn't working or receiving an income in the US to complete our taxes in Switzerland. The situation was similar as he wasn't receiving unemployment or anything...and he didn't have to file taxes in the US stating his income was zero (we weren't married for the entire time that he wasn't working). So...a long story short, we wrote a letter and sent it registered mail declaring that during said period of time he was not working, not drawing an income, living with me....and I was his 'sugar mama'. Well, maybe we left the sugar mama part out....but I think we said that I provided for all of his needs during that period of time. We sent it to the tax office in Vaud and they accepted it with no problem. We later had to submit a few bank statements to show that we didn't have a bunch of money in hand when we arrived to Switzerland but that wasn't a big deal for us. Now I have heard that sometimes in Swiss Romande things are seen in a few more shades of gray than in Swiss Germany so I can't say that it would fair the same but you can try that. Apart from that you could give them a call, explain your predicament and see what they suggest. I find that most people here in Switzerland (even the folks I deal with in Swiss Germany) are very courteous and willing to help if you ask nicely and claim ignorance. Human nature dictates that the person on the other end of the line will enjoy being the expert ;o)

Good luck!
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Billhardie

Thanks your response at 14:08



To say I am unable to provide proof of unemployment benefit whilst he has been working in Switzerland, as I had to sign-off in the UK, as he had a job.


Any other idea greatly appreciated
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Being Switzerland, I would expect the staff to be helpful enough to tell you what you need to provide, so you should you call and ask.
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Moggy, did you call and ask what exactly this proof of unemployment is?

But really, just call and ask the proper department! No one else can give you a better answer!

Seriously,
There is no point in speculating. Just call them to get the answer from the horses mouth.
Surely if you are unemployed this isn't so difficult to prove, however the Swiss will require PRECISELY what they ask for without exception.

....... and then if you could be so kind as to conclude this string by telling us what was asked for so that anyone else who searches for such information will be able to find it.
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Old 20.09.2011, 15:29
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Re: Proof of Unemployment

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Thanks for your response. As my husband is on a seasonal contract that finishes end of September, I do not believe I am allowed to sign with RAV.

Unfortunately I have been unemployed since 24 November 2008. I was one of those people affected by the Lehman saga in London. I had been temping for 21 months with another Bank and was offered a permanent job verbally, then two weeks later asked where the contract was, then it was explained to me they had to put a hold on all job offers for higher up USA approval. Then I was advised as they were about to make a small percentage of permanent employees redundant they were regrettable unable to proceed with the job offer and gave me a few weeks temporary notice. I was grateful at the time not to be shown the door immediately; tidy up my job and leave with being able to say fond farewells to many colleagues I had worked with.
Since then unfortunately I had been unsuccessful in my job applications, the longer I am unemployed the least interested prospective employers are.

My husband and I have been searching our way. He has his work problems too.

We had hoped with this seasonal job, during this time he might be able to find a permanent job, not so far, but we live in hope. We had given ourselves until mid to late October for that possibility to happen.

Obviously we are a on a tight budget and don’t wish to run the credit card even higher, if he has to pay back this money at this time, he will hit us hard

Update I have had an email response from the Jobcentre person in London who was dealing with me and have been given the phone number of another area to contact, as the Jobcentre do not issue the necessary letter, so they say. Just a nightmare waiting for that number to pick up the phone.

Ittigen – your response of 14:40 – thanks I had been told as he was on a seasonal visa, I should not go to RAV

Helm – yours 14:43 – the letter went to my husband’s boss who then passed the information to my husband who then told me – I will speak to him when he gets back home

Rebecca Catherine – 14:47 – thanks for that in depth response. I am going to re-read to fully digest – Much appreciated your honesty

Billhardie – 14:56 – will suggest that to hubbie – He was in such a panic this lost of funds, have not had time for a proper talk & I could not think how to get the necessary document!

I will do an update on this tomorrow or the next day, thanks everyone for your support
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Old 20.09.2011, 15:41
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Thanks for your response. As my husband is on a seasonal contract that finishes end of September, I do not believe I am allowed to sign with RAV.

Unfortunately I have been unemployed since 24 November 2008. I was one of those people affected by the Lehman saga in London. I had been temping for 21 months with another Bank and was offered a permanent job verbally, then two weeks later asked where the contract was, then it was explained to me they had to put a hold on all job offers for higher up USA approval. Then I was advised as they were about to make a small percentage of permanent employees redundant they were regrettable unable to proceed with the job offer and gave me a few weeks temporary notice. I was grateful at the time not to be shown the door immediately; tidy up my job and leave with being able to say fond farewells to many colleagues I had worked with.
You are allowed to register with the RAV, it's not relevant about your husband. Unemployment pay is not means tested, only social help.

Any temporary work done in the UK will qualify assuming class 1 national insurance contributions were paid.
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Re: Proof of Unemployment

why don't they just ask you to prove the existence of the Abominable Snowman?
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