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Can I reject an offer while on RAV?

If I receive an offer for a role which I don't want to take, and for a salary I wouldn't accept, am I bound to taking it by the RAV office?
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Old 23.09.2011, 17:41
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Re: Can I reject an offer while on RAV?

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Old 23.09.2011, 20:10
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Re: Can I reject an offer while on RAV?

yes you can, but be sure to read up on the rules and regulations... if you are in breach, they can legally terminate your unemployment support payments!
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Old 23.09.2011, 20:25
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Re: Can I reject an offer while on RAV?

This site (not available in English) sets out the rules governing the conditions under which you can refuse an offer:
http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/837_0/a16.html (German)
http://www.admin.ch/ch/f/rs/837_0/a16.html (French)

The main ones are that you can refuse an offer if:
- It is more than 2 hours commute each way.
- It pays less than 70% of the baseline for your unemployment benefit (basically this equates to saying you cannot refuse a job that pays more than you are getting from RAV).
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Old 23.09.2011, 20:43
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Re: Can I reject an offer while on RAV?

As long as you don't inform RAV, they will never know. So don't.
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This site (not available in English) sets out the rules governing the conditions under which you can refuse an offer:
http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/837_0/a16.html (German)
http://www.admin.ch/ch/f/rs/837_0/a16.html (French)

The main ones are that you can refuse an offer if:
- It is more than 2 hours commute each way.
- It pays less than 70% of the baseline for your unemployment benefit (basically this equates to saying you cannot refuse a job that pays more than you are getting from RAV).
One can also refuse an offer that
- "does not reasonably reflect the ability or activity that the insured has previously carried out"

- "could compromise to a significant extent the return of the insured to their own profession, provided that such a prospect is within a reasonable timescale"

So, basically, if one is trying to reject a job offer that's in one's correct professional sphere, either for reasons of salary expectation or because of personal preference of role, one will have one's work cut out to convince the RAV to continue paying out.
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Old 23.09.2011, 20:44
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This site (not available in English) sets out the rules governing the conditions under which you can refuse an offer:
http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/837_0/a16.html (German)
http://www.admin.ch/ch/f/rs/837_0/a16.html (French)

The main ones are that you can refuse an offer if:
- It is more than 2 hours commute each way.
- It pays less than 70% of the baseline for your unemployment benefit (basically this equates to saying you cannot refuse a job that pays more than you are getting from RAV).
The RAV will want you to take a lower paying job, they will top up the shortfall with 70 / 80 % of previous earnings for at least your rahmenfrist, possibly longer.

The question is how do the RAV know? Whilst you must apply for about 10 jobs a month which you report, the RAV may well phone up & be a nuisance . So any jobs you really want & expect to get should NOT go on the list!
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The RAV will want you to take a lower paying job, they will top up the shortfall with 70 / 80 % of previous earnings for at least your rahmenfrist, possibly longer.
Yes, you're right. In fact, looking at the text again, the RAV specifically reserves the right to deem a lower-paying job "convenable" (suitable) at its discretion.
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Re: Can I reject an offer while on RAV?

yeah. hrmm.. in this case the actual job offer was coming through RAV's listings. In my application I had to CC my RAV officer.

I guess I *could* simply say nothing... its just slightly more risky in this case
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Old 23.09.2011, 21:23
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Yes, you're right. In fact, looking at the text again, the RAV specifically reserves the right to deem a lower-paying job "convenable" (suitable) at its discretion.
However it costs them at least 21% of your original salary, so they won't force the issue, however will willingly pay out if you want.
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Old 23.09.2011, 21:25
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yeah. hrmm.. in this case the actual job offer was coming through RAV's listings. In my application I had to CC my RAV officer.

I guess I *could* simply say nothing... its just slightly more risky in this case
It's easy to screw up an interview.....
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Old 23.09.2011, 21:27
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yeah. hrmm.. in this case the actual job offer was coming through RAV's listings. In my application I had to CC my RAV officer.

I guess I *could* simply say nothing... its just slightly more risky in this case
It's going to be an awkward one to get out of. An alternative would be to take the job and keep looking for something better. At least that way you would be building up a new set of RAV contributions and pushing out the end date of your benefit payments.

Edit after seeing fatmanfilms' latest post - I had assumed you had been through the interview and actually been offered the job. If you haven't been interviewed yet, you have a lot more flexibility.
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Re: Can I reject an offer while on RAV?

It is much easier to get another job when you are already working. Go for it, claim the top up, and keep looking. You will feel better and employers will look on it favourably.
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The question is how do the RAV know? Whilst you must apply for about 10 jobs a month which you report, the RAV may well phone up & be a nuisance . So any jobs you really want & expect to get should NOT go on the list!
So there is no chance that an employer actually informs RAV, that you did not accept a job? If I keep it off the list, I should be ok? I don't even receive benefits, but I'm still hoping for some sort of help from RAV. Am I being paranoid?

I had an interview a couple of days ago and what they expect from an employer was vastly different from what the ad said. Contract&money wise, but mostly work&responsibility I can't handle and can't do. I wouldn't even apply if I knew the real deal. I tried to screw up the interview but obviously I didn't do it well enough since now it's up to me to decide, if I want to take the job.

I also kind of got the feeling that they are looking for someone to help them get through the holiday season and then they will fire the person and look for someone else when they need help again. If I decide to take the job and they do fire me after 2 weeks, how bad will this look on my resume?

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Am I being paranoid?
Yes.
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So there is no chance that an employer actually informs RAV, that you did not accept a job? If I keep it off the list, I should be ok? I don't even receive benefits, but I'm still hoping for some sort of help from RAV. Am I being paranoid?
If you aren't being paid I'm not sure what would be a problem. As for employers reporting, hard to say. A friend of mine who was receiving payments wanted to refuse a job offer since it was 80% instead of 100 and the actual duties didn't match the ad. The company flat out said if you refuse us, we'll tell RAV and you'll lose your benefits. The threat worked, but I sometimes wonder if the company really would have done such a thing, and if it would have held up given the difference in percentage and job duties.
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So there is no chance that an employer actually informs RAV, that you did not accept a job? If I keep it off the list, I should be ok? I don't even receive benefits, but I'm still hoping for some sort of help from RAV. Am I being paranoid?

I had an interview a couple of days ago and what they expect from an employer was vastly different from what the ad said. Contract&money wise, but mostly work&responsibility I can't handle and can't do. I wouldn't even apply if I knew the real deal. I tried to screw up the interview but obviously I didn't do it well enough since now it's up to me to decide, if I want to take the job.

I also kind of got the feeling that they are looking for someone to help them get through the holiday season and then they will fire the person and look for someone else when they need help again. If I decide to take the job and they do fire me after 2 weeks, how bad will this look on my resume?
If you put the job on your monthly list, there is a chance the RAV will call the company to see how you got on.
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If I decide to take the job and they do fire me after 2 weeks, how bad will this look on my resume?
Nobody forces you to list it.
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It is much easier to get another job when you are already working. Go for it, claim the top up, and keep looking. You will feel better and employers will look on it favourably.
...and you have just one week notice period (usually within the first three months), this makes it much easier to find a new job compared to the three months notice period most people have.
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If you put the job on your monthly list, there is a chance the RAV will call the company to see how you got on.
No until the outcome of job application is known. I specifically asked this question two months ago of my RAV officer. You repeating your own paranoia does not make your case any more true.
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