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To CV or not to CV

I'm leaving my new job during my probation period because of the classic bad fit situation and I don't know how to explain this situation in my next round of job apps and interviews, or even if I should.

In the US, if you work at a job less than a few months and you have no other gaps, an experience like this would usually be left off a CV because it takes more drama to explain. But what are the rules for disclosure are in Switzerland for such short jobs? Am I legally liable for leaving this job off my cv? My second pillar and vested benefits were transferred to new job's fund, so I feel like omitting it would be very bad if I were liable to disclose and an HR person put two and two together when checking my fund.

And if I do put it on my cv, how do you explain away the whole "I left in my notice period because it was a bad fit" in any interviews without sounding like a mental case or problem child? Because they always say it goes both ways in a probation but the burden of proof is always on the employee if it doesn't work out. The reality is that the job presented to me on paper was extremely different from what it was, and to be fair the company didn't have a good handle on what they were advertising for either because it was a new position. So on their end they didn't think out the job description well enough, and I didn't ask the right questions in the interview or in the first weeks, and that led to mismatched expectations on both sides that just snowballed. I don't know how to sugar coat that.

Another thing I am dreading is the eventual follow up from the headhunter who placed me who has already contacted me for the deets. I know headhunters work for HR who work for management, so I don't know if it is even worth my time to say anything that would help the headhunter avoid a mismatched situation like this with whoever is placed to replace me.

Like I said, this is an odd situation in an otherwise banal career, so I would love any insight because I am at a loss here.
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Re: To CV or not to CV

If I were you, I would leave it out. Otherwise, as you said, you'll have to explain it at the interview. These days it's very normal to have gaps in your CV. I have three gaps due to travelling - 6 months, 8 months and 9 months. This is in the space of 10 years.

One other thing to consider is how much experience you have. If you have been working for the past 5 years, then no one cares if you have been unemployed for 7 months. You can always say you were travelling.
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Re: To CV or not to CV

If they dig in and find out, you can say you did not think the experience was long enough, hence left it out.
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The reality is that the job presented to me on paper was extremely different from what it was, and to be fair the company didn't have a good handle on what they were advertising for either because it was a new position.
To me, this sentence sums up the position that you have found yourself in and presents a much better (and very valid) reason for your having left the post within the probationary period than 'I/it was not a good fit.' I don't think that it is uncommon for a new position to not live up to its expectations, due largely to miscommunication between Dept Head (or whoever is looking for someone) and HR.

Whether or not you should omit this experience from your CV is entirely up to you. If I were you, I would make it very clear to the headhunter that the job did not live up to your expectations and, if you have a good relationship with them, ask them for their advice.
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Old 02.10.2011, 23:24
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Re: To CV or not to CV

The term freelancing springs to mind.

I had an ahole boss for 10 weeks 10 years ago in CH, I saw his CV on facebook , hedoes not mention the job where he was fired without notice at all. Dates fiddled a bit.... I 'liked' it!
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Old 02.10.2011, 23:32
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The term freelancing springs to mind.

I had an ahole boss for 10 weeks 10 years ago in CH, I saw his CV on facebook , hedoes not mention the job where he was fired without notice at all. Dates fiddled a bit.... I 'liked' it!
I don't know how long the OP's probationary period was - it could be 3 or 6 months. It also depends on who her potential future employer might be. If it is someone like Goldman Sachs, for example, then one has to account for every single day of employment or otherwise. Companies like that are extremely thorough in their processes and take no prisoners when discrepancies arise.
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I don't know how long the OP's probationary period was - it could be 3 or 6 months. It also depends on who her potential future employer might be. If it is someone like Goldman Sachs, for example, then one has to account for every single day of employment or otherwise. Companies like that are extremely thorough in their processes and take no prisoners when discrepancies arise.
Goldman Sachs often dont always give references to ex employers, especially if they get 'poached'.

Why write a reference where the employer could get sued when clearly the employee cant be trusted! I am referring to a case when an entire desk trading desk left, this was in London.
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I would put it in "Other professional activities" and describe it in the interview process if asked. My experience so far is that providing accurate and honest information does not hurt.
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Re: To CV or not to CV

Personally I would put it down as sabbatical and leave it at that.
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Personally I would put it down as sabbatical and leave it at that.
Yes, but as the OP has said, it is likely that her future HR department will pick up on her previous employment from her P45 (or equivalent over here) and benefits status .
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Re: To CV or not to CV

I would include it somewhere (in other professional activities is a good suggestion) - and explain as per your post (i.e. didn't match job described, it was a new situation for the company that didn't pan out as planned). And then say that's been a learning for you, and you hope the interviewer will understand that you will be very interested to ask many questions about the role on offer.

Omitting it totally will leave a nasty taste if you mention it in interview, and it is nowhere on the CV. That makes an interviewer wonder what else you are hiding.
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Yes, but as the OP has said, it is likely that her future HR department will pick up on her previous employment from her P45 (or equivalent over here) and benefits status .
If the OP pays tax at the end of the year the employer will not know about other earnings. I get a year end form from multiple employers all showing 1.1.to 31.12 regardless of how many days I actually worked for the company over the year.
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Old 03.10.2011, 00:09
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If the OP pays tax at the end of the year the employer will not know about other earnings. I get a year end form from multiple employers all showing 1.1.to 31.12 regardless of how many days I actually worked for the company over the year.
What I was referring to, specifically was (as stated by the OP):

'My second pillar and vested benefits were transferred to new job's fund, so I feel like omitting it would be very bad if I were liable to disclose and an HR person put two and two together when checking my fund.'
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Re: To CV or not to CV

If you are leaving the job in question now and interviewing for a new job, it is kinda hard to "forget" to mention it on the CV. It's the most recent position you held. Saying you were on sabbatical or the like is an outright lie which would be toe clenchingly awkward to explain in an interview, should you be caught out.

It's one of those things that can be dropped off the CV down the track, but for now the OPs explanation of what went wrong seems perfectly legit to me. No big deal.
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What I was referring to, specifically was (as stated by the OP):

'My second pillar and vested benefits were transferred to new job's fund, so I feel like omitting it would be very bad if I were liable to disclose and an HR person put two and two together when checking my fund.'
When the OP leaves it has to be transferred by law to a vested benefits scheme, it can't stay with the old employer.
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Old 03.10.2011, 00:30
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When the OP leaves it has to be transferred by law to a vested benefits scheme, it can't stay with the old employer.
I am not an expert in Swiss employment/benefits law so am not sure whether trails exist between one employer and the next. I was merely reiterating the concerns of the OP.
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Re: To CV or not to CV

You don't necessarily have to put it on, but I it will most certainly have go be accounted for if any background check is conducted.
Lying on one of these may be future career suicide, so don't do it!
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Re: To CV or not to CV

Won't the next employer demand a Zeugnisse (official reference letter) from the last employer which will either be from the REAL last employer so causing issues with CV OR from the last employer you wish to show, which will show a gap?

I think you need to weigh up the pros and cons of hiding it and being caught (likely IMO) vs explaining it? If I were you, I'd explain it as your explanation above seems pretty strong to me
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If I were you, I would leave it out. Otherwise, as you said, you'll have to explain it at the interview. These days it's very normal to have gaps in your CV. I have three gaps due to travelling - 6 months, 8 months and 9 months. This is in the space of 10 years.

One other thing to consider is how much experience you have. If you have been working for the past 5 years, then no one cares if you have been unemployed for 7 months. You can always say you were travelling.
Thanks! I have decided to leave it off for now...explain when i get to second or third interview stage. I hadn't thought of travelling- it is plausible, and explains away a lot...
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If you are leaving the job in question now and interviewing for a new job, it is kinda hard to "forget" to mention it on the CV. It's the most recent position you held. Saying you were on sabbatical or the like is an outright lie which would be toe clenchingly awkward to explain in an interview, should you be caught out.

It's one of those things that can be dropped off the CV down the track, but for now the OPs explanation of what went wrong seems perfectly legit to me. No big deal.
I agree, it has to be mentioned, but then i realized, why do I want some five week flop to be on top of my cv? so i have mentioned to headhunters and given the ref of flop company's HR, which they said they would explain when dossier was submitted and i could follow up in second round in the "why am I looking in Zurich when all my work certificates are from romandie" phase.
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