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Old 15.10.2011, 12:51
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Live in (near) Basel, work in Zug?

Hi all, is anyone out there doing this i.e. living in/near Basel and working in Zug. Is it a feasible commute?

I mean, I know how long googlemaps says it is by car (1 hour 10 mins) but how is it in reality? By train from where we live (i.e. not actually in Basel on top of the SBB) it would be 1 hour 25 mins.

If you do a similar length commute how do you find it? If you have young kids, do you miss out seeing them? Is it better to get a work-week pad to stay over Tuesday to Thursday (so go Monday morning come back Friday night)?

Just asking as hubby is investigating such a job - it has a lot of advantages for us as a family i.e. it's a lot more money - enough for me to give up work and be a lady of leisure (sorry, no I mean a stay at home mom - which I know is not leisure at all - but it would be a heck of a lot less complicated if I didn't work.) But we also do not want to move house - we are basically settled here, friends here, bought our house, kids in school etc. moving isn't an option.
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Re: Live in (near) Basel, work in Zug?

We have a summer place on Mount Rigi so do the commute a lot during the summer. At the usual rush hour times (and from about 3pm on a Friday) there is a definite bottle neck as you come out of the Belchenflue tunnel down to the motorway junctions to Bern and on to the junction direction Luzern. You can easily lose 30 mins there. This is travelling direction Luzern. Traffic does not seem so bad in the other direction but usually slow between the Luzern motorway junction and the Bern motorway junction.

Similarly there is always congestion going into Luzern, but not as bad as the Olten bit described above.

I haven't done this trip in the morning rushhour mind you but as it uses motorways that are heavily congested with holiday traffic, I think the traffic would cause problems, particularly in the height of the holiday season (summer and winter).

Train. Every time. (This year we got a GA and did just that)
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Re: Live in (near) Basel, work in Zug?

The traffic from Basel to Zug is a nightmare because
you will have to intermingle with the Luzerners commuting
to Zürich.

Spare yourself the trouble and go by train.

Better yet. Canton Zug has a lot to offer besides
low taxes. We are right between Zürich and Luzern.
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Re: Live in (near) Basel, work in Zug?

A couple of people I work with do the commute from Basel HB to Zug daily. It seems to work for them & they enjoy the train time to read or do some work instead of having to do it at home.
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Re: Live in (near) Basel, work in Zug?

I commute from Basel to Zurich Oerlikon daily and find it do-able. However I doubt if I can do it with a kid.

You need to catch a train atleast by 7:30AM from Basel and the earliest one can leave in the evening is lets assume 5:30, so by the time one returns its almost 8PM. In my opinion shifting somewhere in between is a better idea.
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Re: Live in (near) Basel, work in Zug?

Been thinking about this a bit more and realised I used to do (for 10 years) an hour and 15 min commute in the UK .. and that was on SWtrains who usually didn't bother running to a timetable, often didn't turn up for hours, sometimes didn't turn up at all etc etc. And I guess I'd still be doing it now if we hadn't moved to CH:

Depends on your husband, but if he's up for it, the commute, particularly on these lovely trains in CH, would be very doable. And the train time could be work time meaning not so late back as you might think.

Having somewhere to sleep during the week in Zug might give your husband a better quality of life (ie ability to have an evening and use it) but if all he really wants to be is home with you and Wattsli1Junior, then there's not much point to that (plus it would be a fairly pricey option).
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Re: Live in (near) Basel, work in Zug?

I didn't do Zug-Basel but I did do Pully-Lancy (so suburb of Lausanne to suburb of Geneva), which on the train schedule is 1:14 and my door-to-door was 1:30. Timewise I think Basel Zug is doable, but as the below poster said, you have to be out of the house for around 730 and you get home on the best days at 8 assuming you were able to pack everything in to normal working hours. I know people from London and Paris find anything under 2 hours a normal commute, but the difference is that in those countries you have grocery stores and banks and other things open later in the evening to do your personal stuff. I also found that the train at those times was packed and stressful and not conducive to "getting work done" or even reading, so I often went in early and left late just to not have a migraine before I even walked in the office. It was also aggravating in that all my errands had to be done over lunch without exception, or I had to stay in Geneva for everything- hairdresser etc, which meant I got home even later and didn't get a lunch break if i had stuff to do. If it is your husband's dream job and the money is good, I think it is worth it to try, but after a couple years the toll of living three hours of my day that way was too much for me. I wouldn't do it again.

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Hi all, is anyone out there doing this i.e. living in/near Basel and working in Zug. Is it a feasible commute?

I mean, I know how long googlemaps says it is by car (1 hour 10 mins) but how is it in reality? By train from where we live (i.e. not actually in Basel on top of the SBB) it would be 1 hour 25 mins.

If you do a similar length commute how do you find it? If you have young kids, do you miss out seeing them? Is it better to get a work-week pad to stay over Tuesday to Thursday (so go Monday morning come back Friday night)?

Just asking as hubby is investigating such a job - it has a lot of advantages for us as a family i.e. it's a lot more money - enough for me to give up work and be a lady of leisure (sorry, no I mean a stay at home mom - which I know is not leisure at all - but it would be a heck of a lot less complicated if I didn't work.) But we also do not want to move house - we are basically settled here, friends here, bought our house, kids in school etc. moving isn't an option.
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Re: Live in (near) Basel, work in Zug?

I've got a friend doing Kussnacht to Basel daily by train, and it's killing her and the family life.
She also has a steady, low stress job with regular hours.

They're now moving to Luzern, even that isn't ideal, but her husband works in Zug so it's a compromise.

You should try the trip one day in the morning at the correct time to see what it's like. Seeing is believing, as they say.
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Re: Live in (near) Basel, work in Zug?

I do Basel -> Zug and it's not that bad. I live within a 5 minute walking distance of the Basel station so there's no bus or tram to take once I am in Basel.

It takes me 2 hours door to door. I use the train to get stuff that I wouldn't necessarily do at home like read, watch series or movies, work or personal projects. If I got home an hour earlier I am not sure I'd be as constructive. I don't have a family or wife so there is no pressure on other people. The downside for me is that there is no time for things like shopping or going to the post office; lunch hour has become increasingly important for things like this. Also, my employer is a wonderfully flexible guy and is aware of my situation. If I am ever late on account of a train or if I have to leave the building in order to make a train no questions are asked.

I have a 1st Class GA and some of the trains have WiFi so I can log in to work or browse the web. Time passes quickly and in comfort.

The connections are seamless and there is no wait longer than 5 minutes.

Driving is much faster at 1:05 -> 1:10 minutes but I find this more tiring and stressful than the train. Driving back can be tricky as there is often heavy traffic whether you take the Luzern route or the Zurich West Ring bypass.

I have other colleagues who make the same commute and some of them have been doing it for years. I have been doing it for a year now and I don't envisage changing until such time as the Universe commands it of me.

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Re: Live in (near) Basel, work in Zug?

I did several long commutes ever since I arrived in CH. First, Buchs SG <->St Gallen, then St Gallen <->Zurich, and finally Zurich <->Basel.

The first two commutes around St Gallen were actually quite easy to handle. The morning hour on the train was almost a God send, as I could do my e-mails and first phone calls. By the time I would get to the office, everything would be sort of up and running. Also, I have never read so many books as by then.

The Zurich <->Basel one was a total disaster. Unlike the St Gallen ones, I had to take a couple of trams in Basel and another train in Zurich. By the end of it, I was totally exhausted and stressed with it (I also hated the job, which didn't help at all).

In my humble opinion, first you hate it, then you get used to it and start to use the time to your advantage. The trick to make this work is being on walking distance from your door in one of the ends. Also, take in consideration the commute will put a lot of pressure on your social life and family. For example, most social activities start at 6h30, and in order to make it on time you will almost have to take the afternoon off.

Probably it would be better if you try the trip in real field conditions to see exactly how much it will take you from door to door. I kept hearing people telling me that Zurich <->Basel was "only" 54min, when in reality, I had to sum 20min to get to HB, plus a good 30min to get to the office in Basel.... It was much closer to 2h than 54min.
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Re: Live in (near) Basel, work in Zug?

Commuting has it advantages and disadvantages like many things in life. As others pointed out if commuting by train you can read a book or the newspaper, listen to music or maybe even work. But you are bound to the train schedule. While this usually is not a problem in the morning, it can be very difficult to leave on time after work. It really depends on the job. If you just missed a good connection you might arrive home very late. Driving by car again depends on the job and the working hours. If you can beat the rush hour (for example be in the office at 7 am or 7.30 am the latest and leave at 4 pm or 4.30) it might be an option. If your working hours are not that flexible it might be very annoying and can stress you out completely if you have a meeting arranged and fear being late. So depending on the job a little flat or even just a room might be a better idea. This would give your husband the opportunity to work a bit longer days on the days that he spends the night in Zug which might allow him to leave earlier on Friday (again depending on the job). He could still come back once a week maybe . Furthermore a possibility to spend the night would also mean that he could socialise better with his working colleagues outside office hours which again, depending on the job, might be good for his career. Many people rent out their apartment during the week. Look for Wochenaufenthalter and also search for Einliegerwohnung (a separate apartment in a family house) as these people are often looking for a quiet person and therefore prefer a working family father over a student.
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