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I disagree. The details of the next family are none of your business. If they did not call you for a reference, they are not asking for your input. Do not overstep your "responsibilities". This many create other problems for you (including legal recourse which can be very messy). For example, have you done everything on the paperwork side of things 100% correctly?

It is up to the next family to check the situation once she starts with them and decide for themselves if the person is suitable or not. Please do yourself a favor and don't go there.
I guess you're right. I just think it would be bloody awful if the new family found out "the hard way" that their new au pair isn't up to scratch.

Let's hope they call the OP for a reference off their own bat, then.
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I didn't go through an agency, although her new employers ground her through an agency, and I wasn't approached for a reference.

But there is a twist, I had my family over andnthey brought their au pair, which mine befriended, my au pair admitted to her that she has been stealing washing up powder, toiletries and food from the house (all of which I am happy to provide, apart from her toiletries!) she told her I would never notice, the other au pair told me I should put video cameras in the house. I have notice things missing as my first au pair was a kleptomaniac!

They left on Monday told me about it only after she handed in her notice.

I don't know if I should bother, but feel sorry for the new family, they have a newborn, and I would never recommend her with babies, she would be hopeless, with toddlers and older she is good, but never with a newborn.

Have been interviewing, and she doesn't talk to me about leaving only to my husband, so he will advise her she hasnto work her notice period as per her contract, until such time we find a replacement or she can find someone.

I told her that we have security cameras in the house, which is true, I just need to learn how to use them!

Decided not to be spiteful! My new years resolution!


Stealing....really....are you sure? Have you thought that perhaps she's, i don't know, hungry? That maybe she likes to have clean clothes! Presumably these "perks" came with the job, no? In which case, how is she stealing?

Of course if she is emptying your fridge on a daily basis i can see this would be a problem, but why not ask her?

Beats me why you would want to keep your Aupair beyond today!

But glad to hear you have decided not to be spiteful
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Stealing....really....are you sure? Have you thought that perhaps she's, i don't know, hungry? That maybe she likes to have clean clothes! Presumably these "perks" came with the job, no? In which case, how is she stealing?

Of course if she is emptying your fridge on a daily basis i can see this would be a problem, but why not ask her?

Beats me why you would want to keep your Aupair beyond today!

But glad to hear you have decided not to be spiteful
exactly! I came here as an aupair and it is your duty to provide her with all food AND toiletries! Thats not stealing, probably she was too scared to ask for the basic things she needs. I already feel bad for your new aupair..
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exactly! I came here as an aupair and it is your duty to provide her with all food AND toiletries! Thats not stealing, probably she was too scared to ask for the basic things she needs. I already feel bad for your new aupair..
Blimey, so you even have to ask your host family when you need them to buy you a bottle of Clearasil and a box of Tampax?
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I didn't go through an agency, although her new employers ground her through an agency, and I wasn't approached for a reference.
Gee, I frankly feel for you and I hate it to tell people off, but:

Involving an agency is mandatory these days. If you decided to forgo it, than you have to live with the consequences.

I feel for you because I don't see hiring an aupair as a feasible option. The regulation is so stiff, that virtually every family with an aupair, whom I know - does cut the corners and is not fully compliant. But not sticking to the rules can backfire with all sorts of craps, just like this.

If you had an agency, they could send you a replacement within a reasonable term. They could reach out to her present agency (the market is not that large, most agencies know each other very well) and maybe even to her employers. They could sort out the tolietry issues (and the CCTV issues, too ). After all, the agency fees aren't that high like the lawyer's ones.

So, again, I deeply feel for you and I think in this case there's little you can do. Move on, consider full compliance for the next hire and maybe explore other options to organise your childcare.

Good luck and all my bests!

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I didn't go through an agency, although her new employers ground her through an agency, and I wasn't approached for a reference.

But there is a twist, I had my family over andnthey brought their au pair, which mine befriended, my au pair admitted to her that she has been stealing washing up powder, toiletries and food from the house (all of which I am happy to provide, apart from her toiletries!) she told her I would never notice, the other au pair told me I should put video cameras in the house. I have notice things missing as my first au pair was a kleptomaniac!

They left on Monday told me about it only after she handed in her notice.

I don't know if I should bother, but feel sorry for the new family, they have a newborn, and I would never recommend her with babies, she would be hopeless, with toddlers and older she is good, but never with a newborn.

Have been interviewing, and she doesn't talk to me about leaving only to my husband, so he will advise her she hasnto work her notice period as per her contract, until such time we find a replacement or she can find someone.

I told her that we have security cameras in the house, which is true, I just need to learn how to use them!

Decided not to be spiteful! My new years resolution!
Sorry. But this just doesn't make any sense at all. If she is no good at her job, steals and is going to breach a contract, why would you want to keep her? I'd kick her out now. Anyway, you can't make the girl work longer than she wants to. She will just never come back after the two months. You cant tie her to her to the front door.
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Re: What is the notice period for an au pair?

I am curious how she got the B permit when she was on an L permit, being an Au Pair for you.
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Involving an agency is mandatory these days.
My host mother had Au Pairs for more than 10 years and she never had an agency. This is my second time being an Au Pair and I didn't come through an agency. I think the Au Pair and the host family should be aware of the regulations and they should have a contract. For some people having an agency is a good thing but some people just don't want to pay the agency, go through more papers etc. so they prefer to do it on their own.

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It is now compulsory to use an Agency now - because AuPairs were just used as cheap labour and often not declared, not registered and not insured. And of course many are still employed like this.

Au Pair rules are very clearly defined. They should live as part of a family, not have sole charge, only do light housework, have time for paid language classes, and not be in a family with the same mother-tongue.

Au pair in Switzerland


Important information for Swiss host families and au pairs from Non-EU countries who want to go to Switzerland!

The Swiss government has decided to limit the number of residence permits for au pairs from non-EU countries. Please get in touch with the respective authorities in your cantonif you want to invite an au pair from a non-EU country!


Au pairs that do not need a visa:

-Au pairs from the EU/EFTA member states

Au pairs that require a visa:

-Au pairs from non EU countries (e.g. Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand)

Important changes! The Swiss government has decided to limit the number of residence permits for au pairs from Non-EU countries. Please get in touch with the respective authorities in your canton.

Travel costs: The au pair has to bear the travel costs him/herself. In some cantons though it is the host family who has to pay for the travel expenses. Please get in touch with the cantonal authorities for further information.
We recommend not to pay these costs before the au pair has successfully stayed at least 3 months with your family and to make no advance payments.
Pocket money: An au pair gets a net monthly salary of 600 to 780 CHF depending on the respective Canton (plus board and lodging).
Duration of stay: The contract of employment is to be for a maximum of 12 months. For EU- and EFTA-citizens the contract between the au pair and the host family can be prolonged by another 12 months.
Entry regulations:

EU/EEA countries

Accession before 2004
  • Age: 17-30
  • an au pair agency is not necessary
  • need to register withthe communal authorities, where they receive their short-time residence permit or residence permit after presenting a work contract
Accession 2004/2007
  • Age: 17-30
  • an au pair agency is not necessary
  • need a residence permit from the cantonal authoritiesbefore they enter the country
Non-EU countries
  • Age: 18-25
  • since 01.01.2008 they are allowed to work as au pairs only if they use the services of an au pair agency that is accredited by SECO. Please use this search engine to find accredited agencies. If you choose a German version, you will need to click on "Betrieb suchen" ("Company search") and mark "Au Pair".
Important changes! The Swiss government has decided to limit the number of residence permits for au pairs from Non-EU countries. Please get in touch with the cantonal autorities if you want to invite an au pair from a Non-EU country.

Native language: The native language of the au pair may not be the language mainly spoken in the part of Switzerland where he/she is an au pair.

Working hours: may not exceed 30 hours per week and 5 hours per day. The au pair is entitled to at least 1,5 days off per week. The au pair should have his/her day off at least on 1 Sunday per month. At least one parent must be present during half of the au pair's working hours.

Holidays: The au pair is entitled to at least 4 weeks of holidays (up to the age of 20 years inclusively, the au pair is entitled to 5 weeks of holidays)

Language course: The au pair must attend a language course of at least 4 hours per week. The employer has to pay the language course fees.

Illness/Accident: The employer has to conclude a health insurance with an accredited insurance company for the au pair. This insurance shall cover the consequences of illness (including sickness benefit) and accidents. The employer pays 100% of the workmen's compensation insurance fees and 50% of the rest of fees.

Social security contributions: The employer has to register the au pair with the Swiss Compensation Office. 50% of the fees for social contributions may be deducted from the au pair employee's salary.

Taxes: Au pair employees are subject to taxation and must be informed about this by the employer. Tax at source may be deducted from the au pair's salary.

Useful information can also be found on the pages of the Swiss Federal Office for Migration - FOM.

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Re: What is the notice period for an au pair?

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Au Pair rules are very clearly defined. They should live as part of a family, not have sole charge, only do light housework, have time for paid language classes, and not be in a family with the same mother-tongue.

Hi Odile.

This is news to me (the agency bit). Can you refer us to a link/official document? Thanks.
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An agency is not compulsory for all the au pairs.

It is sad that these girls are afraid to speak up.
I have an Au Pair friend who got in the UK through an agency and when she had problems the agency didn't help her. Luckily, she escaped from that family and got home safe. And that was a well known agency. What really happened, I don't know. A good agency shouldn't act like this. But on this world, there are people who care and people who don't.
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When we had Au Pairs in the UK, many of their Au Pair friends were always at our house crying and desperate about the way they were treated. Several of them cam to stay with us so we could find another family for them- as they were so badly treated. One of them had sole charge of 2 young children, the mother having run away to her home country- and a schizophrenic teenage son who was a heroin addict. I told her to pack her bag and be ready- and to phone me when she was alone- and I went to fetch her the next day. Another lived in a very posh house - but was kept totally apart from the family in her own flat and expected to cook her own meals and was desperately lonely. One had to clean the leaded windows every week with a toothbrush.

Verbier here is one of the links:
AUPAIRLINK
Andrée Wind
info@aupairlink.ch
http://www.aupairlink.ch/
www.aupairlink.ch is the internet platform of Wind Connections licensed Au Pair Agency. We provide complete services for the recruitment, selection and placement of Au Pairs, as well as administrative services for the visa/work permit process.
Aupair Link would also like you to please note the new regulation in Switzerland regarding Au Pairs (effective January 1st, 2008):
1- Aupair candidates can be recruited anywhere in the world (it was before limited to certain countries like EU + Canada/Australia/USA/New Zealand). However, non EU candidates are subject to entry quotas and have the following restrictions:
-Families must work with a licensed agency to obtain the necessary visa + work/residence permit (they can no longer apply directly).
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Re: What is the notice period for an au pair?

Hi again Odile,

You need to do better than that last link from an agency.

Let's please have an OFFICIAL link that says you have to use an agency to hire an au pair. I checked for Canton GE and no mention.

(the challenge is on - good luck).
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Got visitors here - so a bit pushed for time. Will try though.

Conditions de délivrance de l’autorisation


J’aimerais engager une personne au pair du Mexique (ou d’un autre Etat non-membre de l’UE/AELE). Quelles sont les règles que je dois observer?
Les principales dispositions en la matière sont décrites de manière claire et succincte au chiffre I 4.4.11 des directives LEtr ( liens):
Voici ce qui a changé depuis l’introduction de la loi sur les étrangers, le 1er janvier 2008: Les employés au pair en provenance d’Etats tiers (p. ex. les Etats-Unis, le Canada, la Thaïlande, etc.) ne peuvent être admis que si le placement est assuré par une des agences reconnues et autorisées par le SECO. Certes, le nombre d’agences spécialisées dans le placement de personnel au pair (p. ex. Pro-Filia) est encore restreint, mais nous nous attendons à ce que d’autres agences s’ajoutent à la liste au cours de cette année. Dorénavant, seules les personnes appartenant à la tranche d'âge des 18 - 25 ans peuvent être placées et admises comme employés au pair.

Cependant, s’il s’agit d’engager un employé au pair en provenance d’un Etat membre de l’UE/AELE, il n’est pas nécessaire de passer par une agence.
Les limites d’âge pour les personnes au pair de l’Espace UE/AELE sont restées à 17 et 30 ans. Les employés au pair ressortissants d’un des anciens pays de l’UE ou de l’AELE (p. ex. la France, l’Espagne, l’Angleterre, la Norvège, etc.) doivent, après leur entrée en Suisse, s'annoncer auprès de la commune de domicile. En présentant leur contrat de travail, ils recevront un permis de séjour de courte ou de longue durée. L'employeur doit par contre, pour les au-pairs ressortissants d’un des nouveaux Etats membres de l’UE (p. ex. la Pologne, la Slovaquie) avant leur entrée en Suisse, faire la demande d’une autorisation de séjour auprès des autorités cantonales compétentes ( Liste des adresses de contact).




From the Swiss Confederation website. So I was wrong, and right too. Agency now required for non EU, but not for EU. Apologies.

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Odile has now the right answer.

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Hi Odile,

GREAT WORK

So, in so many words, if the au pair is from the EU or Island, Norway, Liechtenstein you DO NOT need to go via an agency to get the permit. You can do all of the paperwork yourself.

If the au pair is from another country, you must go through an "approved" agency for the paperwork.

Now we know.
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I disagree. The details of the next family are none of your business. If they did not call you for a reference, they are not asking for your input. Do not overstep your "responsibilities". This many create other problems for you (including legal recourse which can be very messy). For example, have you done everything on the paperwork side of things 100% correctly?

It is up to the next family to check the situation once she starts with them and decide for themselves if the person is suitable or not. Please do yourself a favor and don't go there.
Did everything correctly, won't risk my rights to be he for an au pair! I am not interested in the other family, I wish them much happiness! The baby was born 2 weeks ago, and they am sure very happy. I don't know who they are, will concentrate on my family , it's up to the agencies and the families to do their jobs!

Thanks again for all the input and advice! No sour grapes!
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I am curious how she got the B permit when she was on an L permit, being an Au Pair for you.
Have no idea, she has a Swiss lawyer friend she said! Apparently it's possible if your from an EU country! I had to get married before I got mine!
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Stealing....really....are you sure? Have you thought that perhaps she's, i don't know, hungry? That maybe she likes to have clean clothes! Presumably these "perks" came with the job, no? In which case, how is she stealing?

Of course if she is emptying your fridge on a daily basis i can see this would be a problem, but why not ask her?

Beats me why you would want to keep your Aupair beyond today!

But glad to hear you have decided not to be spiteful
I keep my fridge full, and she is welcome to eat everything accept for the kids ice lolls! I go shopping for her once a week to fill her fridge, yogurts, milk, bread etc...... I have asked her if she needs washing powder, or anything else, but she say she didn't! I refuse to pay for toiletries, she uses a can of hairspray a day!
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Oh, my first au pair stole kids DVDs, my pregnancy tights, make up, jewelry, kids jewelry , hair stuff....list goes on! It doesn't surprise me! But if you ask, I will give you! Don't steal!
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