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Have no idea, she has a Swiss lawyer friend she said! Apparently it's possible if your from an EU country! I had to get married before I got mine!
I am from an EU country and I'm on an L permit. To have a B...well... the story is too long. It depends from which country of the EU is she ... Because some countries in the EU have different rules in Switzerland. Anyway, it is still strange that she managed to switch from an L to a B just like that.
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I am from an EU country and I'm on an L permit. To have a B...well... the story is too long. It depends from which country of the EU is she ... Because some countries in the EU have different rules in Switzerland. Anyway, it is still strange that she managed to switch from an L to a B just like that.
Actually, it's not really. If they gave her a work contract then that's all she needs if she is from EU/EFTA except for Ro & Bu.
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In which case though, she is not an 'Au-Pair' as per regulations.

Not being pedantic, but the distinction is important. A Nanny is a nanny, an au Pair is an Au Pair, and an employee is, well, an employee. All 3 jobs have totally different regulations attached. An au Pair is just a mother's help, should live as part of the family, yadayada, as per regulations printed in an earlier post.
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Actually, it's not really. If they gave her a work contract then that's all she needs if she is from EU/EFTA except for Ro & Bu.
When I said about countries from the EU having different rules, I meant Bu&Ro. I am from Ro. No point to tell the rules for me . I even said: ''It depends from which country of the EU is she ... Because some countries in the EU have different rules in Switzerland.''

For someone to get a B permit , from what I know, has to find a job or get married. I don't know the rest... I just thought she had to tell her host family that she is switching from an L to an B when she was *still* working for her host family...?
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In which case though, she is not an 'Au-Pair' as per regulations.

Not being pedantic, but the distinction is important. A Nanny is a nanny, an au Pair is an Au Pair, and an employee is, well, an employee. All 3 jobs have totally different regulations attached. An au Pair is just a mother's help, should live as part of the family, yadayada, as per regulations printed in an earlier post.
I agree .
PS: Nice from you to post about Au Pair rules, conditions...
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In which case though, she is not an 'Au-Pair' as per regulations.

Not being pedantic, but the distinction is important. A Nanny is a nanny, an au Pair is an Au Pair, and an employee is, well, an employee. All 3 jobs have totally different regulations attached. An au Pair is just a mother's help, should live as part of the family, yadayada, as per regulations printed in an earlier post.
I think we've got the regs already many times. Most EU/EFTA "au pairs" that I'm reading about on this site are not actually "au pairs" at all, but as you say an employee / domestic worker. Au pair a word that is being use as generic term.

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When I said about countries from the EU having different rules, I meant Bu&Ro. I am from Ro. No point to tell the rules for me . I even said: ''It depends from which country of the EU is she ... Because some countries in the EU have different rules in Switzerland.''

For someone to get a B permit , from what I know, has to find a job or get married. I don't know the rest... I just thought she had to tell her host family that she is switching from an L to an B when she was *still* working for her host family...?
Even after you said that, you still stated your surprise which is what I was responding to because it's not that difficult at all anymore.

Since the OP did not go through an agency, it would seem to me as said above, she's actually an employee and not an "au pair". It seems to me to be acceptable to get a B permit and I guess without knowing specifics that that was good enough for immigration office as well.

Since for EU people it's up to them to take care of their permits I don't know why the employer needs to be informed if she is going to get a B permit. Clearly it's not a "host family" situation but an employer/employee situation.
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Re: What is the notice period for an au pair?

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When we employed her, there were no regulations about going through an agency, but we had to register her, renew her permit when it ran out ( as we are the 2nd family she is working for) and we had to change it again as we moved!

If she has a new permit, should I have a copy? Or at least look at it to see if it's for an au pair or an empolyee? I so don't want to make a mess of things as I so stick to the rules! I am the one that gets a ticket on a blue zone, on a quite road for my tire being just over the blue line, or if I ever take the tram, I always get an inspector checking my ticket! I am a little paranoid, if I do something out of place, I get fined! So I simply don't!





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I think we've got the regs already many times. Most EU/EFTA "au pairs" that I'm reading about on this site are not actually "au pairs" at all, but as you say an employee / domestic worker. Au pair a word that is being use as generic term.



Even after you said that, you still stated your surprise which is what I was responding to because it's not that difficult at all anymore.

Since the OP did not go through an agency, it would seem to me as said above, she's actually an employee and not an "au pair". It seems to me to be acceptable to get a B permit and I guess without knowing specifics that that was good enough for immigration office as well.

Since for EU people it's up to them to take care of their permits I don't know why the employer needs to be informed if she is going to get a B permit. Clearly it's not a "host family" situation but an employer/employee situation.

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exactly! I came here as an aupair and it is your duty to provide her with all food AND toiletries! Thats not stealing, probably she was too scared to ask for the basic things she needs. I already feel bad for your new aupair..
FYI I go shopping twice a week and I ask her for a list of things she needs. I tell her when I go shopping and she is free to choose anything (bar alcohol) and I pay for it. This includes, washing powder, softner and all cleaning products!
If she cannot come, which is usually the case, as I shop in the morning and her day doesn't start before 12.30, then I buy her what she asks for. But I don't think I need to provide her with 5 cans of hairspray, 2 cans a mousse, shampoo and conditioner on a weekly basis! Not forgetting, deodorant, tampax, pads, make up remover, mosteriser, toilet paper, baby wipes, hand cream, hand soap, body lotion.......it goes on and on! So where should your employee draw the line?

Anyway! Tomorrow is her last day! Put work on hold.

Just out of interest, does anyone pay for their employees, nannies or au pair toiletries? And if so, how much do you spend?
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Re: What is the notice period for an au pair?

So I am an au pair and my guest family buy shampoo and like pads and tampax baby wipes ect... they buy foodi like for me and drink but like make up.. hair spray and more like things I more want than need I have to pay for it..
Tbh I think you're au pair took the full advantage of you
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Re: What is the notice period for an au pair?

I am very surprised you do not have a copy of her Permit. As her employer you have to have a copy. As all the insurance is covered by you, you need to have the most up to date copies and these should be passed onto AHV and the insurance etc.
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I am very surprised you do not have a copy of her Permit. As her employer you have to have a copy. As all the insurance is covered by you, you need to have the most up to date copies and these should be passed onto AHV and the insurance etc.
We moved house 4 weeks ago, She went with my husband to change the address, and then she told a third party she got an upgrade! Anyway, doesn't matter, she will be out soon enough!
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I guess you're right. I just think it would be bloody awful if the new family found out "the hard way" that their new au pair isn't up to scratch.

Let's hope they call the OP for a reference off their own bat, then.
Story continues...... I asked her why she deceived us, she said she didn't like working for us, and that the children were horrible and the eldest (7) was the worst.

I then had an interview with another au pair and she knew my polish one, she told me she knew all about my family from her, how I sit and watch tv all day, I leave the au pair to do all the cooking, cleaning and washing. How the kids were awful and she just wanted to leave.

When I mentioned she has a nanny job looking after a new born, her reply was "she is a pshyco, she must have been lying through her teeth. I would never let her near a new born".

For me it's over, apart from she is harrassing my husband for her money which she will get at the end of the month. I spoke to her first host family and they felt so bad that they gave her a reference, it was given by the husband
not the wife, as he was the contact.

Do I try and find her new family or just not bother? I find it strange that they didn't ask her for the contacts of her current job. It's a new born and the woman is working, I was at home most of the time so I kept an eye on what was going on.

Or maybe I should just leave it and stick to my own 3 little ones!
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Story continues...... I asked her why she deceived us, she said she didn't like working for us, and that the children were horrible and the eldest (7) was the worst.

I then had an interview with another au pair and she knew my polish one, she told me she knew all about my family from her, how I sit and watch tv all day, I leave the au pair to do all the cooking, cleaning and washing. How the kids were awful and she just wanted to leave.

When I mentioned she has a nanny job looking after a new born, her reply was "she is a pshyco, she must have been lying through her teeth. I would never let her near a new born".

For me it's over, apart from she is harrassing my husband for her money which she will get at the end of the month. I spoke to her first host family and they felt so bad that they gave her a reference, it was given by the husband
not the wife, as he was the contact.

Do I try and find her new family or just not bother? I find it strange that they didn't ask her for the contacts of her current job. It's a new born and the woman is working, I was at home most of the time so I kept an eye on what was going on.

Or maybe I should just leave it and stick to my own 3 little ones!

you sound funny powerlauer . She's been working for you for 9 months, but by the time she decided to leave you say she was stealing, she is not responsible and you would never let her work with new borns?
Why have you kept her for so long if you knew she was stealing and she was no good anymore?
she wanted to leave, let her go and dont mess up her new job, it doesn't concern you in the least. And you really sound so petty complaining all over the forum, sometimes the aupair and the family are a bad match. accept it. it happens all the time! move on with your life!
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you sound funny powerlauer . She's been working for you for 9 months, but by the time she decided to leave you say she was stealing, she is not responsible and you would never let her work with new borns?
Why have you kept her for so long if you knew she was stealing and she was no good anymore?
she wanted to leave, let her go and dont mess up her new job, it doesn't concern you in the least. And you really sound so petty complaining all over the forum, sometimes the aupair and the family are a bad match. accept it. it happens all the time! move on with your life!
Found out about all of this on 22 oct, before that I thought sheloved the kids and she is fine!

Your right, shall ask to close the thread and hope nothing happens to the new family and their baby!
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Please close this thread! Thank you
Hi,

We usually don't close threads unless something for sale has been sold or the thread's become ridiculous / contentious / repetitive. There is good info on here for prospective au pairs and families, so for we'll keep it open. Thanks.
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she wanted to leave, let her go and dont mess up her new job, it doesn't concern you in the least. And you really sound so petty complaining all over the forum, sometimes the aupair and the family are a bad match. accept it. it happens all the time! move on with your life!
I have to say I was surprised that both you and kbill seem less concerned about the baby/kids and more concerned about the Aupair. I realise it can be hard being an Aupair and sometimes Aupairs and families do not work. However in the end the childrens welfare is the priority surely?

I agree that the OP can not be held responsible for next families lack of obtaining references. I also agree that she should let it go. However not because she sounds petty. Rather because she has to worry about her 3 and can only hope that the next little one is okay.

However I would feel mighty sick if the new employers contacted me after an incident to ask if I had any issues. Whether or not they came to me for a reference first.

Let's be honest here. If the current Aupair went to look for a new job and lied to her new employers by saying she was being badly treated by her current employer, it is unlikely they would go to them for a reference. We are all smart enough to realise that the new employers may have been spun a story that has led them to believe it is not worth following up on the current employer.
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I have to say I was surprised that both you and kbill seem less concerned about the baby/kids and more concerned about the Aupair. I realise it can be hard being an Aupair and sometimes Aupairs and families do not work. However in the end the childrens welfare is the priority surely?

I agree that the OP can not be held responsible for next families lack of obtaining references. I also agree that she should let it go. However not because she sounds petty. Rather because she has to worry about her 3 and can only hope that the next little one is okay.

However I would feel mighty sick if the new employers contacted me after an incident to ask if I had any issues. Whether or not they came to me for a reference first.

Let's be honest here. If the current Aupair went to look for a new job and lied to her new employers by saying she was being badly treated by her current employer, it is unlikely they would go to them for a reference. We are all smart enough to realise that the new employers may have been spun a story that has led them to believe it is not worth following up on the current employer.
And we are all smart enough to know there are two sides to every story. So let's not go making a "bad guy" out of the au pair as we do not know the whole story.

Presumably the au pair gave other reference to the new employer. She must have other references such as the ones that the OP checked before she hired her.

It's really the responsibility of the new employer to find out about who they are hiring. It's not up to the OP to go in giving an opinion that was not asked for. At this point, it's none of the OP's business frankly.

Yes, the children are important and let's not forget that the OP had no problem leaving her children in this au pairs care up until the time the au pair quit.
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Re: What is the notice period for an au pair?

Im one of the au pairs, who were working for this lady.

Working more than 40 hours per week, incl. late babysittings sometimes up to 4 times a week. No extra money.
Ironing some of parents clothes and all of the bed sheets once a week.
Changing all of the bed sheets, where there was no talk about it on the interview!

Shopping? A leaf of bread, youghurts and spread cheese from Lidl once a week. Everything the cheapest, because this woman complains how everything is so expensive.
Ive never eaten meat nor fish as it was very expensive.
Fresh fruits were only for kids.

Do you want me to write more about this family, or should I let it go and be happy I left them? Like other 4 au pairs before me?
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I'd be happy your gone Magda and would advise you not to become embroiled in this discussion. Never look back. I hope your new position is a better and fairer one.






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Im one of the au pairs, who were working for this lady.

Working more than 40 hours per week, incl. late babysittings sometimes up to 4 times a week. No extra money.
Ironing some of parents clothes and all of the bed sheets once a week.
Changing all of the bed sheets, where there was no talk about it on the interview!

Shopping? A leaf of bread, youghurts and spread cheese from Lidl once a week. Everything the cheapest, because this woman complains how everything is so expensive.
Ive never eaten meat nor fish as it was very expensive.
Fresh fruits were only for kids.

Do you want me to write more about this family, or should I let it go and be happy I left them? Like other 4 au pairs before me?
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