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I got your point, very clear. Yep, this company also uses the hay scales, and I think that's the reason behind the first "NO" in our salary discussion. There was no original offer. This is an internal promotion (I have to rencognize it is being handled in a very informal way) the chief of the department came to me, told me about the position and I said "yes, why not, let's have a chat with HR"
i was wondering is the chief that you guys said here equivalent to the title of a team lead ?
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Old 23.11.2011, 18:44
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You indicated it is an internal promotion. I assume they themselves also already suggested a higher salary than you currently have. Unless there are complexities such as moving from one country to another involved, why not just "accept" what they offer?

I can hardly recall every negotiating about a salary. And most of my salary increase throughout my career by far has come from doing a good job and the company rewarding that without me having to ask for it. Also, demanding a higher salary in a new job also puts pressure on you. So without knowing the details I'd say go for what they are offering:
1) you get the job/promotion (looks good on CV)
2) you get a salary increase (always better than staying in your current jo and not getting it)
3) you can come back in a year and say: hey, i'm doing a good job and believe we should recalibrate my salary because I'm having a huge impact, similar jobs on the market are higher paid, etc. etc

At the end of the day, it's not like you're going to say "no" to a promotion anyway, right?
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Old 23.11.2011, 18:50
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Re: Job offer - Please help with salary discussion...

One more idea: how about asking for a company car (unless you already have one)?

You can justify it by the travel (in fact, it may be cheaper/quicker to travel to neighbouring countries by car than flight).

Also, the car may not be included in HR's rigid salary scales. If they can give you something of value to you which doesn't upset their "system" then it may be easier for them to give it to you.

Just an idea...
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Old 23.11.2011, 23:28
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This is really important for me because I don't get this job I'll look for another position outside the company.
This is a promotion (paying CHF 125,000), so let's say for argument's sake that you are earning around CHF 110,000 now (if one level below).

I am not sure if it is worth changing company for say CHF 15,000 (better the devil you know??), but perhaps it is for other reasons.

Anyway, one way to benchmark whether the CHF 125,000 is the correct figure is to benchmark yourself against other positions which are being offered for your skill-set - can you easily get CHF 125,000 or more elsewhere - if yes, then obviously CHF 125,000 is a valid figure and you should not sell yourself short.

Re the travelling aspect - is this something you enjoy - if yes, it has a positive value, if no, then you need to factor that into the equation.

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Sorry, but i think that for the amount of responsability and for your experience, that is grossly underpaid.
Knowing the salary scales of multinationals (and i do), such a position should be a director level, with a pay scale ranging from 200k to 300k (bonus inclusive).

I suggest you do a comparative study on glassdoors and on Vault, list your demonstrated qualifications (and PMP is an big one), and bring it up to them. They are trying to take you for a ride... And your level next year will dictate your income in the next 5...
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Sorry, but i think that for the amount of responsability and for your experience, that is grossly underpaid.
Knowing the salary scales of multinationals (and i do), such a position should be a director level, with a pay scale ranging from 200k to 300k (bonus inclusive).

I suggest you do a comparative study on glassdoors and on Vault, list your demonstrated qualifications (and PMP is an big one), and bring it up to them. They are trying to take you for a ride... And your level next year will dictate your income in the next 5...
A director level with 3-5 yrs experience?
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A director level with 3-5 yrs experience?
Exactly. The ad said "project manager" and we all know what that means...

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Sorry, but i think that for the amount of responsability and for your experience, that is grossly underpaid.
Knowing the salary scales of multinationals (and i do), such a position should be a director level, with a pay scale ranging from 200k to 300k (bonus inclusive).

I suggest you do a comparative study on glassdoors and on Vault, list your demonstrated qualifications (and PMP is an big one), and bring it up to them. They are trying to take you for a ride... And your level next year will dictate your income in the next 5...
That's pretty much all nonsense.

Qualifications only translate to salary if they are either essential or desirable for the role. Listing lots of experience may make you more rounded and effective, but doesn't assure high salary. IMO 99% of the time when people say they aren't being paid properly for their experience, it means that they have chosen the wrong job to match that experience.

None of us know the exact nature of the role, but the responsibilities the OP lists are not especially substantial (ie no large team leadership, or significant budget or P&L accountability) and reads to me more like a link or liaison type job ie IT develop the thing, the stores want the thing, and this role just channels communication on implementation and continuous improvement back and forth.

Without knowing more, the salary looks right to me.

However, that's not what you asked - you asked for help with the negotiation. So just treat it like that.....a negotiation. If you think that the salary isn't great and you are prepared to lose the promotion - just say that - "The role looks really great but I don't think I could do it 100% effectively if at the back of my mind I think I'm being underpaid. What more can you do to enhance the package to make it worthwhile for me to take". If however, you really want the job, its more difficult to make an effective threat as you may lose it....maybe needs to be more in line with "I think its too little for the job but I really want to show you i'm the right person. So how about we start at this level and if I exceed all my goals in the first six months, you give me a 10% pay rise"

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