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So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

What would your reacton be to your boss saying your sacked but will you stay on for a month and train the^new guy up would you do it , is it accepable in swtzerland
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No way - they can't expect you to do that, surely. If you choose to leave, then it's another story.
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What would your reacton be to your boss saying your sacked but will you stay on for a month and train the^new guy up would you do it , is it accepable in swtzerland
Depends what the notice period stated in your contract is. Most places get you to stay anything up to three months, depending how long you have worked there.

People are only usually dismissed immediately if they are in a trusted position (client relations, etc) or they've done something which constitutes gross misconduct (assaulted the boss or nicked something).
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Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

I know this is not right being from england it,s not humane i feel so sorry for the guy who has to endure this what can they do
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Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

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Depends what the notice period stated in your contract is. Most places get you to stay anything up to three months, depending how long you have worked there.

People are only usually dismissed immediately if they are in a trusted position (client relations, etc) or they've done something which constitutes gross misconduct (assaulted the boss or nicked something).

Yes understand that they have to work a notice perod but to have to show your understudy how to do your job is another thing dont you think
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What would your reacton be to your boss saying your sacked but will you stay on for a month and train the^new guy up would you do it , is it accepable in swtzerland
Legally, it may be acceptable, but morally it is bankrupt. I would not disagree to the train the new fella, but I would do a very sloppy job. Do they think that you have no emotions?
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Yes understand that they have to work a notice perod but to have to show your understudy how to do your job is another thing dont you think
Painful as it might be, you might want to think twice before you do a half-assed job on retraining the noob - I take it they haven't given you a reference yet.

If a firm is going to act in a crap way in regard to handling your dismissal, it would be sensible to assume they'll act that way in all aspects.
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Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

thanks i know he needs references but god this s so crap
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Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Novartis is at the moment asking (indeed expecting) several hundred people to stay on and train the new guys in India for at least a year. I think it sucks, but definitely "allowed".
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Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Sorry not accepatable so crap
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Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

As others have said, it depends on the contract notice period - and it is normal to train your replacement if you quit or are sacked, but not made redundant.

If I was in that situation I'd feel like crap, but would not take it out on the replacement - unless he somehow forced the company to sack you, it's not his fault! I would, however, be painfully honest about office politics, if they were the reason you're on the way out ... but don't volunteer stuff, wait until the replacement asks. Otherwise you just sound bitter and vindictive ...
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I know this is not right being from england it,s not humane i feel so sorry for the guy who has to endure this what can they do
As this presumably didn't directly involve the OP, it is impossible for him, let alone us, to know what actually happened and why. It sounds extremely rough on the guy concerned but there may be another side to this story which could explain, at least in part, a very unusual situation.

The firm would be taking quite a risk asking someone they are treating badly to teach the new worker his job. If he is unsuitable for the job, it will be the blind teaching the blind. If he doesn't get on well with the others in the team, he now has a fantastic chance to further ruin relations within the firm. I just wonder...
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Old 26.11.2011, 21:17
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Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

There are situations where it would be acceptable. For instance, the company is downsizing and somebody (internal) has got to do your job. And you have to do it because of that "Arbeitszeugnis" (Work Certificate) that your future employers will require from you.
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Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Although the firm's behaviour may be on very shaky ethical ground, I would say that it's in your interest to be professional to the last day, train your successor to the best of your ability and walk out with a good work certificate at the end.

Industries are small worlds, you never know when in the future you might come across someone who remembers how professional and dignified you were during your month's notice period and will do you a good turn because of it. People who storm out of a company and slam the door behind them often regret it a few years later.
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Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Of course it is legal in Switzerland. Basically employees here have very little rights.
What is important however is to name and shame the company (after receiving an acceptable work certificate)
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Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

This must be "made redundant"....notice periods don't apply for "sacking" or dismissal. Also, if somebody was sacked, I assume it means they wouldn't be a good trainer

So therefore, in your notice period, you should continue to do the job to the best of your ability (or you might get sacked!) and if that involves training.....you should do that too
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This must be "made redundant"....notice periods don't apply for "sacking" or dismissal. Also, if somebody was sacked, I assume it means they wouldn't be a good trainer

So therefore, in your notice period, you should continue to do the job to the best of your ability (or you might get sacked!) and if that involves training.....you should do that too
Being made redundant means that your position no longer exists, which means there would be no replacement ...
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Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Maybe a guy who already works for the firm will be doing his original job and part of the other guy's job too. Wouldn't be the first time.

However, as I said before, the whole situtation is unclear as it doesn't look as if this actually happened to the OP but to a mate of his.
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Being made redundant means that your position no longer exists, which means there would be no replacement ...
Not quite true. It means that the role as its currently scoped or located or paid may not exist, but the tasks will in most cases remain
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This must be "made redundant"....notice periods don't apply for "sacking" or dismissal. Also, if somebody was sacked, I assume it means they wouldn't be a good trainer

So therefore, in your notice period, you should continue to do the job to the best of your ability (or you might get sacked!) and if that involves training.....you should do that too
No - unless sacked has a different meaning in your version of English (I don't know the intricacies of Brenglish) notice periods certainly still apply. If you're being sacked/fired for gross misconduct, there's usually an escape clause, but a company can fire you for poor performance and still expect you to work your notice period.
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