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Bad references given by phone

Hi,

Does anyone knows how in CH works with the references?

If I receive a good reference letter from my previous job and then by phone they give bad references how is that possible, what does it means?

Can I do something against that?
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Old 28.11.2011, 18:30
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Hi,

Does anyone knows how in CH works with the references?

If I receive a good reference letter from my previous job and then by phone they give bad references how is that possible, what does it means?

Can I do something against that?
That they are idiots? I would say that the good think is that you have good references in writing. What exactly did they say on the phone?
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Old 28.11.2011, 18:32
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Re: Bad references given by phone

By law they can only write positive things in a written reference. If it proceeds to a phone call, that can be a bit of a gamble...
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Re: Bad references given by phone

There is a lot of "code" in references. Specifically, "I am happy to provide further information at [phone number]", or words to that effect, or even a phone number printed in bold or underscore, should be read as: "To whom it may concern - call me and I'll tell you what I really think of that person."
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Re: Bad references given by phone

A swiss lawyer help me with the references and they agree. The reference letter is perfect according to swiss standards, but I receive an job offer and they did call them to ask some info and they gave bad references I lost the job offer and I am so upset...
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A swiss lawyer help me with the references and they agree. The reference letter is perfect according to swiss standards, but I receive an job offer and they did call them to ask some info and they gave bad references I lost the job offer and I am so upset...
Hi Anheli,

Are you still employed there? If yes, contact your HR department and inform them of what your line manager has done. They are not allowed to do that. In Switzerland a firm is legally allowed to give negative reference but you have a good one in written and signed (I hope).

If you dont work at this company anymore then I would suggest you consult with a lawyer.

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Old 28.11.2011, 19:06
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Hi Anheli,

Are you still employed there? If yes, contact your HR department and inform them of what your line manager has done. They are not allowed to do that. In Switzerland a firm is legally allowed to give negative reference but you have a good one in written and signed (I hope).

If you dont work at this company anymore then I would suggest you consult with a lawyer.

Good luck!
Thanks I am not working there anymore and I'll try to do something, yes the reference are signed and I call them before to inform that they will receive a call from the other company and on the phone this person was very polite and told me that was happy to give the references
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There is a lot of "code" in references. Specifically, "I am happy to provide further information at [phone number]", or words to that effect, or even a phone number printed in bold or underscore, should be read as: "To whom it may concern - call me and I'll tell you what I really think of that person."
And this works the same in other countries, not just Switzerland.
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Thanks I am not working there anymore and I'll try to do something, yes the reference are signed and I call them before to inform that they will receive a call from the other company and on the phone this person was very polite and told me that was happy to give the references
Hi Anheli,

As far as I know that is a breach. So you either go to a lawyer or you can contact the KV Zurich http://www.kvschweiz.ch/zuerich . They are a union for employees. You need to be a member but that should not be a problem. They can give you legal consultation and all (especially if you have missed on a great opportunity).

However, I will leave it up to you. That would be my advice to you.

Take care and good luck!
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Re: Bad references given by phone

Is it not possible to ask the advice of the original Swiss lawyer who helped you obtain a good written reference ?

Anyway, this job is gone. On to the next opportunity.

Did you fall out with someone at your old company ? If yes, the usual trick is to ask someone senior at your old company to act as a phone reference for you. You then quote the names and numbers of these people in your application.

You ask someone who likes you a lot, and thinks you are a good worker. Then you tell them what job you have applied for and that they should expect a phonecall. That way, they are primed and prepared to give you a very good telephone reference.
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