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Just lost my job:(

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I hope someone here can help me. Yesterday I had some really bad news, due to some unforseen changes for my boss my work won't be necessary anymore and this only 6 months work!

Tomorrow I will sign all the paper and start my three months notice and after that I will probably move back to Sweden (off course I will apply for jobs here in Switzerland, but I don't have too much faith in that...)

But now to my question, am I entitled to any kind of unemployment insurance after my 3 months notice? In total I have worked 9 months when this notice ends I have absolutely no idea where I shall begin... I will meet the HR boss tomorrow, can anyone give me some guidance so I don't miss anything Im entitled to?
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Hello,
I hope someone here can help me. Yesterday I had some really bad news, due to some unforseen changes for my boss my work won't be necessary anymore and this only 6 months work!

Tomorrow I will sign all the paper and start my three months notice and after that I will probably move back to Sweden (off course I will apply for jobs here in Switzerland, but I don't have too much faith in that...)

But now to my question, am I entitled to any kind of unemployment insurance after my 3 months notice? In total I have worked 9 months when this notice ends I have absolutely no idea where I shall begin... I will meet the HR boss tomorrow, can anyone give me some guidance so I don't miss anything Im entitled to?
You have to work a minimium of 12 months in the last 24, however it's just possible that there may be an agreement with Sweeden so any work you did before comming here would count.

You should go to the RAV for advice ASAP, your employer has to give you as much time as you need during your notice period to find a new job.

Good luck

Edit BTW your 3 months notice will end at the end of March! which might be 10 months, ANY temporary job would count towards the 12 month requirement.
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Old 06.12.2011, 20:31
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Re: Just lost my job:(

if you have worked in Sweden before you came to Switzerland then you are eligible for unemployment benefit, see here (sorry, in German):
http://www.treffpunkt-arbeit.ch/arbe...age_2/_seite1/
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Re: Just lost my job:(

Thanks for the help. Unfortunately this is my first job so then I won't be entitled to any help I guess

This RAV you talking about, couldnt find it on google, what is it?
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Old 06.12.2011, 20:38
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Re: Just lost my job:(

I typed "rav switzerland" into google and it proved to be very useful (well, not to me, but to you). Ask them for internet searching skills training once you get there ;)
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Re: Just lost my job:(

here it is: unemployment office.
http://www.treffpunkt-arbeit.ch/
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Re: Just lost my job:(

Sorry to hear that. Get a good recommendation letter from your boss. Ask him/HR if they can promote you in their network.
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Re: Just lost my job:(

Ah good searching tips... I'm a bit out of focus now. I will check it out!

Thanks for the help. This must be one of the worst feelings ever...
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Sorry to hear that. Get a good recommendation letter from your boss. Ask him/HR if they can promote you in their network.
Very sorry for you! Mr. Vertigo's advice is very sensible. Make sure the letter of recommendation is REALLY good, not some "tried hard, did what was told" kind of crap.
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Sorry to hear that. Get a good recommendation letter from your boss. Ask him/HR if they can promote you in their network.
Yes my boss told me that I will be first in line for a new opening, but at the moment it just feels like...
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I typed "rav switzerland" into google and it proved to be very useful (well, not to me, but to you). Ask them for internet searching skills training once you get there
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Re: Just lost my job:(

Ray Ban....yep, it feels like &!$%. That's natural. I suggest you get off the computer and do something else this evening (watch a film, drink beer, sulk under the duvet, kick the Christmas tree).

If you can find your "game face" (meaning being calm, sounding positive etc) at work, then you'll find people will try to help you with the next steps. Try to avoid sounding upset/angry at work.. people will get nervous to talk to you, and you'll lose opportunities to network and maybe find some alternative role in the company.

best luck to you
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Ray Ban....yep, it feels like &!$%. That's natural. I suggest you get off the computer and do something else this evening (watch a film, drink beer, sulk under the duvet, kick the Christmas tree).

If you can find your "game face" (meaning being calm, sounding positive etc) at work, then you'll find people will try to help you with the next steps. Try to avoid sounding upset/angry at work.. people will get nervous to talk to you, and you'll lose opportunities to network and maybe find some alternative role in the company.

best luck to you
Thanks. Yes I will put on the biggest "game face" ever. Having a bad attitude just makes this crapy situation even worse. I will do a good job these 3 months so I at least got a good recommendation letter. (Even if I just want to............)
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Re: Just lost my job:(

I was in the same position a few months ago....contract ended after 2 months, with 1 month notice. I got some good advice on here and I am currently looking for a job. The job market in Switzerland is still better than most other European countries so start looking as soon as you can. I convinced my employer to keep me on at 20% after my notice period, so technically I am still employed and that doesn't affect my RAV benefits (which should start soon). That might be an option for you. And could get you to 12 months contribution. But even if you think you don't qualify you should still register with the RAV and get their official decision.
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Re: Just lost my job:(

My 2 cents are just guessing.
If you need to return to Sweden then it might be possible for you to come back to Switzerland to look for work and get unemployment benefits paid from Sweden for a while, maybe something like 3 months or so.
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Re: Just lost my job:(

If you want to stay in CH, I would start to contact the Swedish authorities to see if they can give you an E301-2-3. This will be the form you need to complete your contributions in order the to collect the unemployment insurance (i.e. benefits).

If you want to move back to Sweden, you will need to ask the Swiss authorties to issue the E301-2-3, so the you can collect benefits in Sweden. You might find the details in this thread.

Best of luck - market is bad, but nearly as bad in most Europe.
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Re: Just lost my job:(

I was just told by rav that you need a minimum of 24 months now as a foreigner....I got a new job after a month but looks like id still need to talk to them mmmm
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I was just told by rav that you need a minimum of 24 months now as a foreigner....I got a new job after a month but looks like id still need to talk to them mmmm
Not true, they can give miss information at times. 24 months gives you the longest payout. Waiting period is based on age & salary.
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Old 07.12.2011, 08:27
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Re: Just lost my job:(

Ok, first of all: Sorry to hear the bad news.

Second: You'll get over it. I am not that old and it happened to me twice during my years in Switzerland. Since then I have developed a strong aversion against the term "reorg".

And now the concrete advice by somebody who has been in similar situations twice:

Forget the RAV. They don't help, they mainly make sure that you only get money if you are entitled to get some. If you aren't sure go there and they'll tell you. Since you do know that you haven't worked for twelve months and therefore won't see anything from them: Don't waste your time on them. The only thing to do is to record all the applications you send out. Simple excel sheet with date, company and job will do... you should save the ads you are applying to anyway in case you get an interview, so that's nearly no extra effort. If you find some job for two months to bridge your gap... the RAV will still work against you to prevent you from getting money. Most common trick is to punish you for not documenting your application efforts.

Priority one: Find a job, ANY job that bridge the two months. If you have that, you are entitled to social benefits that should be sufficient till you find a decent job again.

Priority two: Start applying also for the real jobs ASAP. Your current employer must give you time during work hours for job interviews. Technically he has the right to make you work till your last day and from what I have seen will you probably go to your office for your full notice period. However, I don't think it is reasonable to expect you to work full power as if nothing happened. My last employer was constantly downsizing and it was basically accepted to use the office time to work on your CV and send out applications as well.

Last tip: From my experience is the "secret" quite simple really: perseverance. Of course can you raise your chances per job by spending a lot of time per application. However, many jobs are today going through some terrible online application systems that don't even allow you to hand in a well formated CV... so simply raise your chances by applying to anything that remotely fits. It might take a hundred applications till you get the first interviews. Mainly cause it takes weeks in Switzerland to get any reaction... and yes, maybe it takes some very frustratign 200 or more applications till you get an offer. Three months isn't a lot of time, so basically: GET GOING!

1. Update or create profiles at all job searching websites like monster. Update your profile on linkedin, xing.com and co and clearly state that you are looking for work. Some people think you should make this a secret as it would look desperate, but I think you raise your chances to be found...

2. Update your CV. Spend a lot of time on your CV on the first day to make it really good and then make only slight changes per job you apply to.

3. Search for jobs and apply. You know: Monster.ch, jobs.ch, jobscout,ch... forums on linkedin, xing,... there are millions of jobs out there, even now. Go, get one.
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Last tip: From my experience is the "secret" quite simple really: perseverance.
Agree 100%. If you want to stay here, perseverance is necessary.

I've been in Switzerland almost 3 years of which I was unemployed half the time. My current contract expires at the end of this month as the project is complete and I've been instensively job searching for the past couple of months.

I'm quite frankly fed up but keep trying. I know I'm valuable and someone will realize that one day. Hang in there. It's ok to feel sad and angry, but you need to keep pushing and pushing. Know what you want and hunt for it...

Best of luck...
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