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Yeah, this post just shows how much out-of-touch you, and many others are about what's "really" happening in the USA. The Mexican population has quadrupled in California within the last few years. And don't turn my post around to say I have something against Mexicans. The point is that the whole scope of US is changing as Mexicans are becoming the largest minority, and those coming into the US now are not speaking the language, sounds familiar?, and say that they "want to take back the land US took from them." and its working too!..LOL In some parts of Southern USA, Spanish is required in some professions to get a job, for instance a person working at a call center or a telemarketer. And thanks for confirming what I've written many times "there are plenty of people who come to Switzerland and thrive." In this sentence alone, there's no reason for the negativity that Expats spew to others concerning Switzerland because many don't understand the elements of "refinement." Although, know place is perfect, but in Switzerland you can get to a level to live nearly a perfect life in most areas. There's no reason for the OP not to give Switzerland a try, then he can judge for himself. This forum is the last place anyone should come to when they want to make a move to Switzerland. It would be best for them to search out legitimate information about the country through official sites and take it from there. And please, I hope the poor things don't run to the Expat community when they come to the country, they'll be done for by the time the Expats get through with them. A sad lot really...not all but most

You can call my writings BS if you want, but 2000 has nothing to do with 2011, soon to be 2012. The scope has changed dramatically. Since US has had a dramatic increase in gun violence; a guy was in Hollywood at an intersection shooting randomly into passing cars, and that's just a peek at what's been happening; you'd better take your bullet proof vest...LOL No US city made it into the top 10, or 20 as far as the best cities in the world to live. Switzerland has 4 in that category. USA life expectancy is on par with that of 3rd world countries. And the only thing that's holding the US up now is the dollar. Once Asia creates their own currency, and they will, and the dollar is no longer the currency of choice for investments etc...then the rug will fall from under America. I love America, but its sad in deed to see the direction its going in. For a number of reasons, not just because of the Mexican situation. More people living outside the country are giving up their US citizenship because of FATCA, and also because there's no advantage to being a US citizen, according to them. Its becoming a burden! So anyone that wants to take a chance at living in another country outside of USA, should certainly do so if its feasible. They can always return...
Thanks for your concern. I can't believe I was actually considering strolling the streets of San Francisco without taking my bullet proof vest. But I believe they are now standard issue at the airport when you arrive? Assuming I make it back alive, I'll give an update ok?

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Yeah, this post just shows how much out-of-touch you, and many others are about what's "really" happening in the USA....
I can't speak for California, but I was living in Texas until September of this year, and your original description ("The Mexicans are taking over ...Texas... Lets put it this way, unless you speak Spanish, you may have a hard time finding employment there.") was highly exaggerated. While the growth in the Spanish-speaking segment of the population has been significant, the vast majority of the population still speaks English. There is a "La Raza" movement among Hispanics aimed at "taking back" the Southwest US, but their militant, hostile agenda doesn't have traction throughout the whole Hispanic community. There's a lot of sentiment aimed at simply getting along, which is a feature of the Texas social landscape that I appreciated while growing up there.
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Look, for what it's worth, I pretty much loathe America so you don't need to convince me what's wrong it. I know why I left and I feel my life is immeasurably better here. That being said, I don't think there's anything wrong with an increasing presence of Mexicans in the US and I say that after living in LA for 8 years or so. A good bit of the country was theirs before it was ours, their influence on US culture is valuable and undeniable, the US was and still is built on immigration, and lets be frank, it's huge and still has a ton of room. I don't understand why it's an issue. And if some call centers require new employees to be bilingual, how is that different from Credit Suisse requiring that an Swiss applicant speak English so as to better meet the needs of customers and the company?

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Please do so in Spanish so our Mexican overlords can understand us.
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You might want to be careful. My wife from here brought me over promised me there would be good jobs available. She got home here again, we had a kid, her work paid better than mine so I became the house man (jobs are not so easy to find unless you come over for a corp.)(worked like you anything for a job, just to be here with her). When my boy got into school and all was settled in then my wife started thinking how great it is to be here but I didn't fit into her plans anymore. So here with the divorce rate so high she left me standing with nothing and no way back. Would of been better to stay in the U.S. where I had the advantage than to end up here alone, I got a two room appartment she has a 4 bedroom house. I thought she was the love of my life, never ending, you just never know once their home again... oh here the wife gets half of everything you have, unless you get taken in court and loss it all from a female judge and a female lawyer. Esspecially if your not from here. Oh crime here is also up form a few years ago. When you here about crime in the U.S. well population here is what 7 million and U.S 300 million? Iowa is bigger than Switzerland
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I can't speak for California, but I was living in Texas until September of this year, and your original description ("The Mexicans are taking over ...Texas... Lets put it this way, unless you speak Spanish, you may have a hard time finding employment there.") was highly exaggerated. While the growth in the Spanish-speaking segment of the population has been significant, the vast majority of the population still speaks English. There is a "La Raza" movement among Hispanics aimed at "taking back" the Southwest US, but their militant, hostile agenda doesn't have traction throughout the whole Hispanic community. There's a lot of sentiment aimed at simply getting along, which is a feature of the Texas social landscape that I appreciated while growing up there.
Well hold your horses, the best is yet to come. But I do agree that Texas isn't as over-taken as some of the other Southern parts of US. US is currently accepting an open-border policy in a critical area, I forget which one; it was announced this week, with Mexico. You would think that with their concerns about terrorism and the drug cartels that this would be a no-go. The drug cartels are hideous and they're starting to penetrate the Southern borders of the USA. They leave dozens of bodies headless just to prove their point. What happened is that USA wanted, in a unambiguous way, to make a pact with Canada and Mexico, to form something much like the EU. Unfortunately or fortunately, it hasn't worked out that way.

Once a group of people gain political power, the landscape of where they live changes. Once La Raza gains more political clout, and more of your representatives are from Spanish speaking countries then you will see how "well everyone gets along." They say they want to "take back the parts of America that belonged to them." So as they gain political power, that's exactly what they will do, and they are doing it. That also means that besides English, Spanish will be a requirement. But anyways, this is a bit OT...carry on.
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Look, for what it's worth, I pretty much loathe America so you don't need to convince me what's wrong it. I know why I left and I feel my life is immeasurably better here. That being said, I don't think there's anything wrong with an increasing presence of Mexicans in the US and I say that after living in LA for 8 years or so. A good bit of the country was theirs before it was ours, their influence on US culture is valuable and undeniable, the US was and still is built on immigration, and lets be frank, it's huge and still has a ton of room. I don't understand why it's an issue. And if some call centers require new employees to be bilingual, how is that different from Credit Suisse requiring that an Swiss applicant speak English so as to better meet the needs of customers and the company?


I agree with plenty of your post, the problem is that the balance isn't working well. The Mexican culture is different, nothing wrong with that, many come don't want to learn the language, many drop out of school, have children, and the taxpayers are stuck with paying for a whole new underclass of people. People in US are getting highly pissed off about it too. There are millions of illegal Mexicans in the country who work for nothing, its the people who employs them fault as well, steal Social Security numbers, use the hospital emergency rooms as a doctor etc..The American people know that if they did these same things they would be in jail, but the illegals get a pat on the wrist. The immigrants that America was build upon, is not like the immigrants of today. Today, they could give a rat's ass about America. It's "our people first." The problem is that those who do come into the country legally, including Mexicans, are pissed as well because the illegals are giving them a bad name. The situation is dire, and has to be rectified, it may be too late though. For many reasons.
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Do you think the OP really gives a **** about your opinion of Mexicans, PJ?
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It's not just "a bit" OT — and your contribution is 99% bluff and bluster.
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I think the OP will change his mind and not move, after seeing all the negativity here.
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It's not just "a bit" OT — and your contribution is 99% bluff and bluster.
Yeah...Okay, then down the line you find out what I'm writing is true. It always happens, never fails. Did you ever think that "you just may not be informed about the current situation in the USA and various parts of the world." That's why I wrote earlier "this is the worst place for anyone to inquire about moving to Switzerland." They'd be better off just jumping in and see what happens for themselves. No one can make up your mind for you. Switzerland is a safe, stable country and its easy to get lost when you're in that type of security and not comprehend whats happening to the world outside of the country. Its changing dynamically. That's the main reason I came into this thread so that the OP doesn't take what the Expats here write with a grain of salt. You can take it for what its worth, I know of what I speak...carry on.
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Wow. I didn't realize today was Unfettered Hyperbole Day. Talk about your blatant fear and loathing. Thanks for helping the OP'squest for useful information!
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Thanks for all of your comments!!!
I am learning high german and of course picking up on the Swiss as well as I have a 4 year old daughter whom my wife speaks Swiss with and I am trying to be the best sponge possible. I have been there quite a few times for the holidays and in summer so I have that touristy experience. I will learn more but am ready for the challenge.

But here is the rub. My wife went back to Colorado where we recently moved to Wisconsin from. After a week of friends and feeling the vibe there... It is the place she feels at home. We have set a decision date of Jan 1st. We will commit some time to Skyping with her family but you know the wife is always right or so she tells me.
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I am learning high german and of course picking up on the Swiss as well as I have a 4 year old daughter whom my wife speaks Swiss with and I am trying to be the best sponge possible. I have been there quite a few times for the holidays and in summer so I have that touristy experience. I will learn more but am ready for the challenge.

But here is the rub. My wife went back to Colorado where we recently moved to Wisconsin from. After a week of friends and feeling the vibe there... It is the place she feels at home. We have set a decision date of Jan 1st. We will commit some time to Skyping with her family but you know the wife is always right or so she tells me.
First, good luck to the Badgers on Jan 2nd. I'm looking forward to watching them smack the Ducks hard! (And I especially enjoyed the victory over the spartans

Im an American from the mid-west and have been here 6 months. The fact that your wife is Swiss is a huge advantage for you - not only in understanding the culture and helping with all the little things (e.g. Gemeinde paperwork) but also in having an 'instant family' when you arrive. That support structure will be invaluable to you.

Definitely don't underestimate how difficult the language factor will be. It will be hard, you will make a lot of mistakes, and you will be frustrated with all the things that go wrong. But being surrounded by people that only speak German back to you is key. If you are 'surrounded' you really will learn it, which will give you the confidence needed when you interview for professional jobs in German.

REgarding the job situation: Im in IT and work quite a bit in English, but my Swiss colleagues love that they can switch to High German with me and it's fine as well. There are jobs for english-only speakers, but they have to be backed up with specialized skills that the market needs. Perhaps something you need to think about, though, is if the interruption of your career will look bad on your resume? I think Europeans are far more understanding regarding gaps in the resume than Americans, but maybe that's something for you to think about. e.g. might it be possible to stay in your current position in the US for another 6 months while you work on your german, and meanwhile your wife moves back to CH and gets things settled here? Not sure if that's feasible but just wanted to throw it out there. Best of luck!
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If your wife is the Swiss one, and having reservations about coming, already, that should set off some warning bells.
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Yes I know about the warning bells when my wife is the one suggesting caution. We live in a smaller town here in Wisconsin for the last 7 months and know too well the limitations of not even being able to find a decent Sushi or Mexican restaurant (I had Pork Chile shipped to me here from my favorite restautant). I also appreciate the comment about the Swiss being concerned about shorter stints of employment. Being that I have been in corporate Pharma/Medical/Capital Equipment sales, I have been upgrading my employment every 2-3 years lately. When she came back from Denver, she described the excitement of activity, people with energy to live the day with smiles on their faces. I just don't want to regret not going for it as I always have. I went to Colorado with a degree, a crappy Datsun 510 and about $300 and made it. I came up with an idea, since I will need to find new employment probably in Colorado anyway. I have suggested we store everything for 3 months and give it a trial. What most would call a sabbatical I guess. We have a place to rent and would both have jobs in the family businesses. Life is too damn short and skidding into the grave sideways with a smile on my face sounds good to me.
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... I just don't want to regret not going for it as I always have...
My record at "going for it" has been spotty at best, but I jumped at my first opportunity to come to CH, without looking back. The transition isn't over (wife won't join me for two more months), but I don't regret it (yet ).

Depending on where you land and which social circles you find yourself, the folks here might not seem as chipper as those your wife encountered in Colorado, but they can still be quite friendly, even if they are slower at making friends.
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