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I have kept my residence in Zurich while working in Germany for 12 months. Now I am back and have a temporary contract for only 3 months. The job prospects for 2012 may prove to be difficult. Can I claim unemployment benefits though? Is my permit still valid having lived primarily in Germany for the last year although visited Zurich once a month or more often? I have already claimed unemployment benefits before.

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I have kept my residence in Zurich while working in Germany for 12 months. Now I am back and have a temporary contract for only 3 months. The job prospects for 2012 may prove to be difficult. Can I claim unemployment benefits though? Is my permit still valid having lived primarily in Germany for the last year although visited Zurich once a month or more often? I have already claimed unemployment benefits before.

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You may be entitled to a claim in Germany, have you worked in CH for 12 of the last 24?
When did your last rahmenfrist end? you could still be eligable from before.
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You may be entitled to a claim in Germany, have you worked in CH for 12 of the last 24?
When did your last rahmenfrist end? you could still be eligable from before.

No, I am not entitled in Germany since I work in CH now. My Rahmenfrist run out long ago. I have only been working for a couple of weeks in CH in the last 12/24 months and the contract is running out soon. I hope not to go to RAV again.
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Re: Unemployment benefit

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Which stay permit you have (Aufenthaltsbewilligung C, B, etc.)? When you worked in Germany, on what base you stayed in CH?

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No, I am not entitled in Germany since I work in CH now. My Rahmenfrist run out long ago. I have only been working for a couple of weeks in CH in the last 12/24 months and the contract is running out soon. I hope not to go to RAV again.
You have no entitlement from the Swiss system however there is a recriprical agreement with EU countries which may give you benefits based on your German entitlement.

Were you paying taxes & AVS in CH last year when working in Germany?
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Which stay permit you have (Aufenthaltsbewilligung C, B, etc.)? When you worked in Germany, on what base you stayed in CH?

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I have permit B and kept the permit while working in Germany but went back to my second home in Zurich every few weeks.
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You have no entitlement from the Swiss system however there is a recriprical agreement with EU countries which may give you benefits based on your German entitlement.

Were you paying taxes & AVS in CH last year when working in Germany?
I didn't pay AVS or taxes in Switzerland when working in Germany. As I understand I can transfer my entitlements from Germany to Switzerland.
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I didn't pay AVS or taxes in Switzerland when working in Germany. As I understand I can transfer my entitlements from Germany to Switzerland.
If you had a B permit, you were supposed to be living in CH & paying taxes here, I think you may have some issues here.
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Re: Unemployment benefit

A couple of years ago, I claimed unemployment benefits in CH, when an opportunity for 1 months work in Frankfurt am Main popped up. RAV was perfectly happy to see me working there for 1 month, and then come back, as it saved them 1 months Benefits.

But no Idea, what they think about 12 Months, where you effectively did not live here.

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Re: Unemployment benefit

ok well if you paid the ahv equivalent in germany then you are entitled to transfer these payments to Switzerland and based on that the RAV will pay you. However it may not be as high as if you had been working in Switzerland.

The first step you need to do is get a E301 from the German Arbeitsamt (not sure if the employer has to fill it out). When you receive this form you can then go to the RAV and give it to them and based on this form they will decide if you are entitled to anything.

Here is a thread on it as I posted about the same topic before. I in the end had to get the E301 form the UK and not Germany.

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As for your permit, it was my understanding that you could only work for max 6 months outside Switzerland, anymore than this and you have to give your permit back. Hope this won't cause problems for you.
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Re: Unemployment benefit

Have to clarify the residence issue with the authorities but I guess I can keep my residence in Switzerland and work outside as long as I wish.
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Have to clarify the residence issue with the authorities but I guess I can keep my residence in Switzerland and work outside as long as I wish.
Try not to guess, just read the back page of your permit. These are the laws, which I fear you may have broken. You might want to reconsider claiming the unemployment benefit here!

I am not trying to bully you or tell you off, but I need to let you know of your difficult situation.

It states quite clearly on the back of my 'C' permit that if I leave my village I must abmelden. I can also apply within 6 months of leaving for a residence stay abroad of up to 4 years.

As you left for longer than 6 months, your B permit is now cancelled. I don't think that keeping your flat in Zurich will qualify as keeping up your residence here. Maybe it does, I am not expert in these matters, but I would ask someone before I went down to the Gemeinde office and asked for RAV payments.

My daughter was born here. She left for England with her mother for two years aged 15, without getting the permission. She came back at age of 17 and 4 months to her place of birth, and I had to re-apply for her residence. She lost her 'C' and now has a 'B' permit.

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Have to clarify the residence issue with the authorities but I guess I can keep my residence in Switzerland and work outside as long as I wish.
Actually no you can't, six months then it gets canceled, unless of course you were still a resident in the country, ie, kept your address, returned regularly, paid your health insurance, etc, which it sounds like you may be OK. But as you say, you'll have to check it out.


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Try not to guess, just read the back page of your permit. These are the laws, which I fear you may have broken. You might want to reconsider claiming the unemployment benefit here!

I am not trying to bully you or tell you off, but I need to let you know of your difficult situation.

It states quite clearly on the back of my 'C' permit that if I leave my village I must abmelden. I can also apply within 6 months of leaving for a residence stay abroad of up to 4 years.

As you left for longer than 6 months, without obtaining permission, your B permit is now cancelled. I don't think that keeping your flat in Zurich will qualify as keeping up your residence here. Maybe it does, I am not expert in these matters, but I would ask someone before I went down to the Gemeinde office and asked for RAV payments.

My daughter was born here. She left for England with her mother for two years aged 15, without getting the permission. She came back at age of 17 and 4 months to her place of birth, and I had to re-apply for her residence. She lost her 'C' and now has a 'B' permit.

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B permit is 6 month and there is no extension possible like there is for a C permit.

But your comment that if he kept his apartment it doesn't qualify him as a resident. That is not so. It certainly does if he meets other conditions which he will have to check out with his commune. He maybe or may not be still considered a resident. But again, he has to check with his specific conditions.
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Actually no you can't, six months then it gets canceled, unless of course you were still a resident in the country, ie, kept your address, returned regularly, paid your health insurance, etc, which it sounds like you may be OK. But as you say, you'll have to check it out.



B permit is 6 month and there is no extension possible like there is for a C permit.

But your comment that if he kept his apartment it doesn't qualify him as a resident. That is not so. It certainly does if he meets other conditions which he will have to check out with his commune. He maybe or may not be still considered a resident. But again, he has to check with his specific conditions.
Paying tax here would be expected for any resident.....................
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Re: Unemployment benefit

Sorry, I can't sympathise with the OP after reading her posting history, sounds like nothing but a long series of social system abuse.
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And more than anything, make sure you keep your health insurance, and your accident insurance payments up to date(!)
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Sorry, I can't sympathise with the OP after reading her posting history, sounds like nothing but a long series of social system abuse.
Oooh..it's THAT guy.... :rofl
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Paying tax here would be expected for any resident.....................
And pay insurance, etc. etc. none of which we know. We only know he "kept his apartment here".

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Sorry, I can't sympathise with the OP after reading her posting history, sounds like nothing but a long series of social system abuse.
I didn't say I agree with what this person is doing. But it's not an all & out "No, you're not a resident anymore" if he kept his address & paid his health insurance, etc.

We can't advise some people they can spend x amount of days in the country and they are residents but not say the same for this person.

Anyway, we don't have enough info here.
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Re: Unemployment benefit

I paid health insurance but the migration office said that one have to be in Switzerland for more than 180 days to be qualified for a B-permit without any exception. Would like to know more about the experience of others.
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I paid health insurance but the migration office said that one have to be in Switzerland for more than 180 days to be qualified for a B-permit without any exception. Would like to know more about the experience of others.
Yeah. That's sort of what most people were saying. Sorry about that. But I guess you have a new permit now.

Good luck with your job search!
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