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Where do I seek for jobs within the Diamond industry ?

pls can you tel me

a) in which part of switzerland can i find indian society

b) what would be an approx. rent for approx 185 m2 on the groung floor (commercial area).
i am into diamond industry, but i dont know any one over there suppose if i join a jewellery firm over there,

c) pls can you tell me how much salary can i earn?

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Re: Where do I seek for jobs within the Diamond industry ?

You almost certainly will not be able to join an existing or start up your own company - unless you have a Swiss or EU passport. Before indulging in a pipe dream, it's probably a good idea to do some basic research about living and working in Switzerland. There's lots of sticky posts in these forums wherein you'll find the answer to your questions.

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You almost certainly will not be able to join an existing or start up your own company - unless you have a Swiss or EU passport. Before indulging in a pipe dream, it's probably a good idea to do some basic research about living and working in Switzerland. There's lots of sticky posts in these forums wherein you'll find the answer to your questions.

Most Indians I meet here are working in IT.
Thanks for the reply.
i totally agree with you about getting an swiss or EU visa, but i just wanted to roughly know abt my job pay or suppose if i open an departmental store so that i can plan to move 1 step further. please can you help me. It would be kind of you.
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Re: Where do I seek for jobs within the Diamond industry ?

The European diamond industry is centred in Antwerp, Belgium but you probably know that.

Cutting and polishing
Gem quality diamonds are usually distributed to one of the main diamond cutting and trading centres in
Antwerp, Mumbai, Tel Aviv, New York, China, Thailand or Johannesburg. Once they arrive at the diamond
centres, experts (known as ‘diamantaires’) cut and polish the rough diamonds into shapes, such as the round
brilliant, the oval, the pear, the heart and the emerald. Polishing follows cutting, before the diamonds are
again classified by their cut, colour, clarity and carat weight – also known as the ‘Four Cs’. These diamonds
are typically sold to diamond wholesalers or diamond jewellery manufacturers in one of the 24 registered
diamond exchanges (known as bourses) located across the world.
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The European diamond industry is centred in Antwerp, Belgium but you probably know that.

Cutting and polishing
Gem quality diamonds are usually distributed to one of the main diamond cutting and trading centres in
Antwerp, Mumbai, Tel Aviv, New York, China, Thailand or Johannesburg. Once they arrive at the diamond
centres, experts (known as ‘diamantaires’) cut and polish the rough diamonds into shapes, such as the round
brilliant, the oval, the pear, the heart and the emerald. Polishing follows cutting, before the diamonds are
again classified by their cut, colour, clarity and carat weight – also known as the ‘Four Cs’. These diamonds
are typically sold to diamond wholesalers or diamond jewellery manufacturers in one of the 24 registered
diamond exchanges (known as bourses) located across the world.
Agreed. The only fine jewelers I can think of are in Geneva. I am sure there are others forumites can tell you of, but IIRC teh actual manufaturing is in the Jura, either the bits in Northern Neuchatel or Canton Jura itself. I dare say Zurich might have some.

If you pm me I can pass on an accountants details who may be able to advise.
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Re: Where do I seek for jobs within the Diamond industry ?

I have to get here much earlier to answer the questions.

I was also going to say that there is no real "diamond industry" in Switzerland. You'll have to go to Antwerp.

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Re: Where do I seek for jobs within the Diamond industry ?

Wow!

What a place to do market research for a multi million chuff industry!

The English Forum of Switzerland!!

Who woulda guessed..
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What a place to do market research for a multi million chuff industry!

The English Forum of Switzerland!!

Who woulda guessed..
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Re: Where do I seek for jobs within the Diamond industry ?

The answer is, it depends...

If you want to visit Zurich and be employed by one of the jewellery retailers here, good luck.

If you want to visit Zurich and start a business here that sells diamonds, you'll need to:
a) have a permit to reside/work here, or avoid all the permit issues entirely by showing the migration authorities that you have rather a lot of clear money (eg at least usd $10 million) in your bank account,
b) convince the authorities that you will be employing lots of people, and paying tax
c) ingratiate yourself with the local jewellery retailers cartel, otherwise they will freeze you out of town. Actually, they probably would anyway. It's not a level playing field. It might be easier to team up with an existing player.
d) attempt to find some retail property. It might be easier to do this in a big shopping centre or even the airport, rather than Bahnhofstrasse.

If you are really wanting to start a business, then it is probably best to visit Zurich first and talk to the high net worth private advisors at one of one of the two big banks. They would love to look after your money, and might take care of the government paperwork and any other wheels that need greasing.

Re Zurich floorspace rentals: the sky's the limit. There's not a lot of turnover on Bahnhofstrasse, and some of the buildings have been owned by the same companies for over a century. Then again, companies like eg Apple can come along and find a spot - give it a go.

re Salary: no idea. Operating costs and wages are high. It might be cheaper to outsource manufacturing...
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The European diamond industry is centred in Antwerp, Belgium but you probably know that.

Cutting and polishing
Gem quality diamonds are usually distributed to one of the main diamond cutting and trading centres in
Antwerp, Mumbai, Tel Aviv, New York, China, Thailand or Johannesburg. Once they arrive at the diamond
centres, experts (known as ‘diamantaires’) cut and polish the rough diamonds into shapes, such as the round
brilliant, the oval, the pear, the heart and the emerald. Polishing follows cutting, before the diamonds are
again classified by their cut, colour, clarity and carat weight – also known as the ‘Four Cs’. These diamonds
are typically sold to diamond wholesalers or diamond jewellery manufacturers in one of the 24 registered
diamond exchanges (known as bourses) located across the world.
i mean in switzerland how much pay can i roughly get? i am an experenced person for 5 years and i have worked in wholesale office and retail showrooms.... please can you help me.
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i mean in switzerland how much pay can i roughly get? i am an experenced person for 5 years and i have worked in wholesale office and retail showrooms.... please can you help me.
Pay for what? Selling diamonds? 5k. But whoever pays you will have to jump through a heck of a lot of hoops to get you here (to get your permit that is); for example, convincing the government that they can't find anyone in Shengen or EU to fill the role. Which pretty much means it's a moot point. If you are in a position to rent ~200 meters of retail space and set up shop, then you must be a clever person. Please, and don't take this the wrong way, do a little research on your own- like 30 minutes of Google time, and come with some specific questions and I'm sure people here can help you find the answers.
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i mean in switzerland how much pay can i roughly get? i am an experenced person for 5 years and i have worked in wholesale office and retail showrooms.... please can you help me.
As Mud said, you really need to establish a baseline before anyone can help you answer that question. You talk about opening a department store, but ask what kind of salary you can get? Absolutely not a clue - as anyone who's ever run a small business knows, there are months when you can rake it in, and months when you wind up paying employee's salary out of your own pocket in order to hold it together, hoping to recover the money next month.

You should note as well that doing business here in Switzerland will be very different from doing business in India, will almost certainly require strong German / French / Italian skills (probably German), costs will vary widely depending where you're located, and so on and so forth, to say nothing of the hurdles of getting through the paperwork, getting permits, etc.

You need to think this out, put together a solid plan, before anyone can help you with vague questions like salary expectations.
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b) what would be an approx. rent for approx 185 m2 on the groung floor (commercial area).
Mostly prohibitive if you want to start up a diamond store.

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i mean in switzerland how much pay can i roughly get? i am an experenced person for 5 years and i have worked in wholesale office and retail showrooms.... please can you help me.
You worked as what? Retail salesperson? In that case you can forget getting into the Swiss diamond / jewelry business as a sales person. Diamond wholesale you can forget about, there is no wholesale in Switzerland. Which makes your salary question irrelevant.

If you are actually skilled at stone cutting / jewelry design I can put you in contact with people. But skilled in this case would mean "i am able to do things out of this world".
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The answer is, it depends...

If you want to visit Zurich and be employed by one of the jewellery retailers here, good luck.

If you want to visit Zurich and start a business here that sells diamonds, you'll need to:
a) have a permit to reside/work here, or avoid all the permit issues entirely by showing the migration authorities that you have rather a lot of clear money (eg at least usd $10 million) in your bank account,
b) convince the authorities that you will be employing lots of people, and paying tax
c) ingratiate yourself with the local jewellery retailers cartel, otherwise they will freeze you out of town. Actually, they probably would anyway. It's not a level playing field. It might be easier to team up with an existing player.
d) attempt to find some retail property. It might be easier to do this in a big shopping centre or even the airport, rather than Bahnhofstrasse.

If you are really wanting to start a business, then it is probably best to visit Zurich first and talk to the high net worth private advisors at one of one of the two big banks. They would love to look after your money, and might take care of the government paperwork and any other wheels that need greasing.

Re Zurich floorspace rentals: the sky's the limit. There's not a lot of turnover on Bahnhofstrasse, and some of the buildings have been owned by the same companies for over a century. Then again, companies like eg Apple can come along and find a spot - give it a go.

re Salary: no idea. Operating costs and wages are high. It might be cheaper to outsource manufacturing...
There is a jewellery shop on the lower level of Neumarkt in Oerlikon. I've never talked to the guy who runs it be he looks Indian. It doesn't look as if this shop is associated with any of the local jewellers. The style is completely different and rather more "Indian". This just shows that it isn't impossible. On the other hand, he doesn't appear to be doing a roaring trade. I've never seen anybody go in or out. I don't think that style of jewlery is very much in demand here.
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Pay for what? Selling diamonds? 5k. But whoever pays you will have to jump through a heck of a lot of hoops to get you here (to get your permit that is); for example, convincing the government that they can't find anyone in Shengen or EU to fill the role. Which pretty much means it's a moot point. If you are in a position to rent ~200 meters of retail space and set up shop, then you must be a clever person. Please, and don't take this the wrong way, do a little research on your own- like 30 minutes of Google time, and come with some specific questions and I'm sure people here can help you find the answers.
i was planning either of 2 because i am planning for a job in a jewellery showroom as a sales executive as my 1st priority and suppose if i dont get a job in that field, i was planning to put a retail store for all packed goods i.e. veg products and cosmetics types. but as per all quotes i find getting a job in jewellery firm as a sales executive seems little difficult. STILL, THANK YOU EVERY 1 FOR PROVIDING YOUR VALUABLE COMMENTS.
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mostly prohibitive if you want to start up a diamond store.







You worked as what? Retail salesperson? In that case you can forget getting into the swiss diamond / jewelry business as a sales person. Diamond wholesale you can forget about, there is no wholesale in switzerland. Which makes your salary question irrelevant.

If you are actually skilled at stone cutting / jewelry design i can put you in contact with people. But skilled in this case would mean "i am able to do things out of this world".
my friend if possible can you try for me as a fresher, but, it has to be in switzerland.
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