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Lying to my recruiter

Hi Guys,

During a recent interview with a recruiter (Oprandi) I was asked what my current base salary and compensation are. As I am an honest person I disclosed --I was reluctant to do so, but as I felt that I can trust them and a bit and also from a bit of fear that they may find out further down the process I complied.

- Is it generally customary to disclose this information honestly in CH?
- If one were to lie and inflate the number by a few percent would this be found out further down the line in the hiring process?

I am asking as now all the interviewers I have spoken with for the 1st and 2nd telephone interviews are informed of the same number and I feel that it puts be at a bit of a disadvantaged starting point. They specifically have the "base" salary number and not the total compensation.

Naturally I have responded with the standard answer of deferring any conversations until it is determined that I am a good fit for the company.

I am considering now for future interviews that I inflate my salary by a few percent (say 5-8%) with the hopes of being able to secure a more attractive salary during the hiring process.

Based on your experiences with the job hunt process what are your thoughts?

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Old 15.02.2012, 17:05
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Hi Guys,

- Is it generally customary to disclose this information honestly in CH?
- If one were to lie and inflate the number by a few percent would this be found out further down the line in the hiring process?

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When I disclose honestly they usually tuck tail and run. But this is Switzerland. I thought minimum wage was 200k.

I'm thinking to start lying and say it's less just so I can get the interviews.
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Old 15.02.2012, 17:07
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Re: Lying to my recruiter

Just tell them a salary range that you're willing to work in, based on your knowledge of your position and industry. No need to give them your specific current salary.
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Old 15.02.2012, 17:20
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Re: Lying to my recruiter

depends how badly you want the job I suppose.

I know we have not taken the best candidates for positions because there salary demands where too high, and it this market there will always be someone else who'll do the job for less.
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My last agent completely undermined my bargaining position last time and I will not make the mistake of giving this information out next time. Ask first what the salary range on offer is and then give your desired range.
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My last agent completely undermined my bargaining position last time and I will not make the mistake of giving this information out next time. Ask first what the salary range on offer is and then give your desired range.
I agree - you should never show your hand first. Always ask them for the salary range for the position.
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Re: Lying to my recruiter

Hello, Im a recruiter. I always need to know the salary my candidates are on at the moment as then I can make sure Im presenting them jobs that will be interesting to them and not ones for less than they are already earning. I am aware that anyone moving wants a bump in salary so the next question I ask is their salary expectations. Very often our clients give us a salary range to work within. If your expectations are not in the range I will tell you and tell you what the position could pay you. When I talk to my client about a candidate I need the facts so I can sell them to the clients. If you tell me you wont take a job for less than 200K and then I present you to my client and you meet them and say actually Im ok with 160K then I look like Im trying to inflate your salary to make more money on the placement fee. This makes us look unprofessional. Be honest with your recruiters, its in their interest to find you a job, its how they make their money. If they are good recruiters they will always try to get you the best deal.

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Old 15.02.2012, 20:39
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Re: Lying to my recruiter

Hey of course money isn't the only factor. I was giving an example as we're talking lying about salary. Bottom line being more honest means more accurate feedback from the recruiter. Without accurate info it's very hard to do our job. And yes I know there are a lot of bad recruiters out there
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Hello, Im a recruiter. I always need to know the salary my candidates are on at the moment as then I can make sure Im presenting them jobs that will be interesting to them and not ones for less than they are already earning. I am aware that anyone moving wants a bump in salary so the next question I ask is their salary expectations. Very often our clients give us a salary range to work within. If your expectations are not in the range I will tell you and tell you what the position could pay you. When I talk to my client about a candidate I need the facts so I can sell them to the clients. If you tell me you wont take a job for less than 200K and then I present you to my client and you meet them and say actually Im ok with 160K then I look like Im trying to inflate your salary to make more money on the placement fee. This makes us look unprofessional. Be honest with your recruiters, its in their interest to find you a job, its how they make their money. If they are good recruiters they will always try to get you the best deal.

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I disagree.
If what you said was true, then you would just need to ask the question about salary expectations.

Instead, I found myself been called a lot by recruiters (or supposed recruiters) who just wanted to do a quick survey on the market by asking about my current salary. When I refuse to answer, they won't even proceed.
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Based on your experiences with the job hunt process what are your thoughts?

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I usually just tell them it's none of their business, and all they should care is my salary expectations.

The few times I disclosed my salary, I always found the recruiter trying to exploit the information, and me regretting it.

Example: recruiter asks about my current salary, answer 150k. Then salary expectations: minimum 160k-165k, I wouldn't move for less. Recruiter says it's ok, they pay up to 170k so let's set up the interview.

Inteview was 100 km far, and in three steps 3 different days. At the end they're happy and they want me, they offer 150k. I'm pissed and they try to convince me with benefits, career opportunities and other BS. Of course I don't take the job.

Same story happened a few times. Now I don't disclose it anymore.
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Old 15.02.2012, 21:01
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I disagree.
If what you said was true, then you would just need to ask the question about salary expectations.

Instead, I found myself been called a lot by recruiters (or supposed recruiters) who just wanted to do a quick survey on the market by asking about my current salary. When I refuse to answer, they won't even proceed.
I don't know about calling to do a salary survey. I agree that's a bit wierd never heard of that before and doesn't sound like its an actual recruiter. I don't even see the point of it ..

If I call my clients who I spend ages trying to convince I put time into finding candidates for them and don't just shoot off random cvs ( which some agencies do btw) And I can't even tell them basic info like what's the guys salary we would be laughed at. Also if I'm going to make the effort to use my network to find you a job and you won't give me the info I need then I'm not going to bother helping you. You don't trust me then I don't trust you.
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Old 15.02.2012, 21:09
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I usually just tell them it's none of their business, and all they should care is my salary expectations.

The few times I disclosed my salary, I always found the recruiter trying to exploit the information, and me regretting it.

Example: recruiter asks about my current salary, answer 150k. Then salary expectations: minimum 160k-165k, I wouldn't move for less. Recruiter says it's ok, they pay up to 170k so let's set up the interview.

Inteview was 100 km far, and in three steps 3 different days. At the end they're happy and they want me, they offer 150k. I'm pissed and they try to convince me with benefits, career opportunities and other BS. Of course I don't take the job.

Same story happened a few times. Now I don't disclose it anymore.

Yeah thats ridiculous. I always agree with my candidates what salary I will send them at. I state this on the dossier I send and then the client knows what your expectations are. If they try to offer less I deal with it before even going to the candidate by saying hey I told what the guy wants, you knew from the start and interviewed him based on that so offer him accordingly.
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Old 15.02.2012, 21:15
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Since I'm below the "minimum wage", can I expect to have my next salary expectations revised upward?
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Hello, Im a recruiter. I always need to know the salary my candidates are on at the moment as then I can make sure Im presenting them jobs that will be interesting to them and not ones for less than they are already earning.
You don't need to. Let people decide for themselves if the salary is all right or not. As a recruiter, you can't know the whereabouts of every aspects of the application. Don't think for the candidates. You have a budget, bargaining is fair enough, but that's it.
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Yeah thats ridiculous. I always agree with my candidates what salary I will send them at. I state this on the dossier I send and then the client knows what your expectations are. If they try to offer less I deal with it before even going to the candidate by saying hey I told what the guy wants, you knew from the start and interviewed him based on that so offer him accordingly.
You are too good to be true

If you operate in the Romande area then I will send you my CV
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You don't need to. Let people decide for themselves if the salary is all right or not. As a recruiter, you can't know the whereabouts of every aspects of the application. Don't think for the candidates. You have a budget, bargaining is fair enough, but that's it.
Of course you need to know everything. How can u send them to your client without all the info. That's part of the point of hiring a recruiter to find candidates for you. He presents fully vetted candidates that match the role do the client doesn't have to vet lots of applicants. Presenting half assed vetted candidates doesn't cut the mustard.
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You are too good to be true

If you operate in the Romande area then I will send you my CV
Just German part I'm afraid. This is all basic recruitment stuff I'm heartened by how awful my competition seems to be
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Of course you need to know everything. How can u send them to your client without all the info.
If your client don't tell you how much he budgeted for the position, how do you know there is money at all?
You will never know the truth behind it, many contracts stipulate that the number is confidential and if recruiting was about truth, the word would have spread around already.
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If your client don't tell you how much he budgeted for the position, how do you know there is money at all?
You will never know the truth behind it, many contracts stipulate that the number is confidential and if recruiting was about truth, the word would have spread around already.
If he doesn't tell me then I cant find him people and don't take the Job on. I would have thought that was obvious.... I told a few companies no because they refused to give the basic info. Works both ways.
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Re: Lying to my recruiter

Lying is never a good idea, whether in job hunting or otherwise. However, it's perfectly fair (in my view) to refuse to disclose your current earnings. I spent twenty years dealing with recruiters, mostly as a contractor, sometimes as a permie, and it's never in *your* best interest to do so. Salary is never a good guide to capability, and a good cv will speak for itself.

If a job is advertised at a salary of x and you have the experience and capability to do it then why should you be excluded from applying on the basis of your current salary? - if rate x is significantly above your current salary (which you've told the recruiter) then you won't be put forward. I have close friends who've been in the business (as recruiters) for many, many years and they won't hesitate to put you forward if you seem capable, but may hesitate if you label yourself as a "salary x" type of person. Always be confident in your own ability, and never be afraid to say no to a recruiter.

They are all nice guys and gals for the most part (excepting all the ones I had to take to court ) but never forget that they have *their* interest at heart first and foremost - you always need to have *your* interest first and foremost.

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