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A propos of nothing, anyone dissing Swiss wine should try some of this fella's dessert wines - nothing short of world class...

http://www.gregor-kuonen.ch/startseite-deutsch/home/

If you can find me better wines than that, then i'll happily concede your (quite snobbish / wrong) opinion on Swiss wine.

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The longer I work with senior management, the more I realize that there are some common traits. The most important is that these people rarely get into positions of leadership by accident, and by the time you get to Managing Director level, the selection process is pretty strict. So this person either started the company and has been successful in growing it, or they have done something over the course of their career that makes the Board think, “yes, this is the person to lead our company.”

Your Managing Director may not have studied statistics in school, and his dress sense may not be terrific, but I assure you that he brings some other critical ability to the table or he wouldn’t be where he is. It may be that he has a great innate feel for the Swiss marketplace. Or that he understands how to source products extremely well, giving him real pricing power in the market. Or that he understands how to build consumer loyalty. I don’t know what his secret is – but I assure you its there.

The Swiss wine thing is common – I have French bosses who only order French wine, Spanish bosses who order only Spanish wine, and Italian bosses who order only Italian wine. It’s one of those things that’s fiercely nationalistic, and the Swiss are a pretty nationalistic bunch on top of that. Besides, Swiss companies like to be seen to be 'buying Swiss'. It's good for business.

If you want to be a great analyst that can work at executive level, maybe it’s not the executives that need to change. Maybe you need to learn how to synthesis your analysis into clear, jargon-free briefings that help your leaders understand the choices ahead of them and the impact of their decisions.
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Old 09.03.2012, 12:54
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i disagree. respect is earned, not bestowed.
I agree 100% I recently left a job with a similar boss, but he was also racist, xenophobic and anti-English language. (This area of the business was supposedly an English-speaking environment) I had to leave in the end because I couldn't stand working with him any longer. I wouln't recommend that you quit before finding something else. I made that mistake and I am still looking for a new job 1 month on. I do speak German as well, but it looks much better, to be in current employment. Hope this helps you out.
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Old 09.03.2012, 13:23
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or they have done something over the course of their career that makes the Board think, “yes, this is the person to lead our company.”
I tend to agree with you on some of the stuff you mentioned except this bit. IME, there are many kind of boards, good, bad; Hands-on, hands-off; politically-oriented (Coop?), business-oriented; honest, crooky (look at Olympus, got it wrong picking an accomplice); competent, completely clueless.

I can also think of CEOs that arrived to the post almost by accident or by reasons that are non-business-related (family? relationship? power vacuum?).

In any case, the OP has the call.

PD. S.Dev is not something I would call "jargon".
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Hi everyone, I am some king of specilist in my area and I was hired +1 year ago by a Swiss retailer in order to build analytics capability. The role is (or looks) permanent.

I have a German boss who is a fine person, knowledgeable, open to dialogue and good coach. No problems with the guy, on the contrary, he is an above average boss and I'm happy to work with him.

However, the Managing Director is Swiss. A guy that came up the ladder, from manual-technical worker to top boss. The problem is, he went up professionally but unfortunately, his manners, general culture and instruction did not follow.

Just to provide you a glance into this guy's profile:

Wears short sleeve shirt with tie, sometimes carrying a pen in the shirt's pocket
The knot of the tie is sometimes yellowish (accumulated fat and dirt)
Believes it is his duty to know about everything, consequently, he never asks for opinions, the guy just asks for info, then decides. His subordinates are, invariably executioners, not thinkers (or if they are, they hide those qualities).
Always orders Swiss wine when inviting (even though there is more value per SFr with other origins).
Barely speaks anything other than German, therefore, prefers to only deal within Switzerland or in Germany.
Is mostly unaware of what happens in the rest of the world.
Does not understand basic knowledge like what is a standard deviation. Since he doesn't ask questions, you have to somehow notice he doesn't understand the concept, then you have to explain in such a way that it doesn't become evident that you are teaching him Stats 101.

The list can go on and on. It makes me wonder what is the future of the company. I mean, it can't be good, can it?

I think I'm quitting the job. I was informed that I will be reporting to him in a long term project.

Am I right? am I too picky?
you just described Swiss men in general.

P.S. Fixed that for you...

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Old 09.03.2012, 13:56
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The worst part of this thread is that I now cannot get the "Like a BAWWSS" song out of my head. Particularly fish scene....
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Old 09.03.2012, 14:05
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every overdressed camel toe I had to witness...
..what's wrong with camel toes?
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Re: Am I too picky with boss?

I will try to tell you a long story in just a few words

I had to work with a guy like that. After many years being the specialist working on research and new products and direct reporting to the owner, I was put to work with a senior swiss manager like that, one that has earned his position due to career and experience and not on qualifications.

We had a small business unit and very shortly the frictions started and went to a full blown confrontation. The company didn't wanted to get into it as we both had a very good history with them, so the conflict continued. At the end I had to leave because the situation was not sustainable anymore, I was lucky to get a good job shortly and now everything is fine.

He also had to leave ( was asked to ) and as far as I know, now 2 years later he is still unemployed. and at 50+ is unlikely he would rebuild his career again. I feel bad for him, really bad.

So lessons learned ?

I am now more aware of how people like them think and act, and I handle myself correct to them, don't hurt anyone's feelings or threaten their earned positions, and myself don't get anymore emotional or passionate about it, while at the same time delivering good profesional performance. Results: everybody on my new job loves me, users, business managers, technical managers, my direct boss leaves me a great deal of freedom, I am well payed, and I am happy. ( and get the hot chicks too )
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Old 09.03.2012, 16:15
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( and get the hot chicks too )
Is this a standard perk of the job? I should have negotiated harder before signing my contract!
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Is this a standard perk of the job? I should have negotiated harder before signing my contract!
that's an skill you have to develop by yourself
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However, the Managing Director is Swiss. A guy that came up the ladder, from manual-technical worker to top boss. The problem is, he went up professionally but unfortunately, his manners, general culture and instruction did not follow.

Am I right? am I too picky?
Salt of the earth people like this. He was probably working a 60 hour week whilst you were still in kindergarten. Probably achieved his "hands on" training and experience at a time before everthing went "global" and pre computer and probably has a very solid knowledge of everything relating to the business even if he is alittle unpolished.

Try to bear in mind that everything changes and that whilst you are now "king" in your field, in 30 years time there will also be younger people than yourself in the work force who will be seeing you as an old fogey who is not up to date with the current thinking and latest way of doing things.

See the situation as a challenge to yourself to find a way of working with this man and to maybe gain from his experience as well as maybe introducing him to some of your more modern ideas.
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Exactly- you could learn so much from a man like him, if you could overcome your prejudice. And vice-versa- together, with a bit of effort and compromise, you could achieve great things as a balancing-out team.
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Old 11.03.2012, 17:50
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Salt of the earth people like this. He was probably working a 60 hour week whilst you were still in kindergarten. Probably achieved his "hands on" training and experience at a time before everthing went "global" and pre computer and probably has a very solid knowledge of everything relating to the business even if he is alittle unpolished.

Try to bear in mind that everything changes and that whilst you are now "king" in your field, in 30 years time there will also be younger people than yourself in the work force who will be seeing you as an old fogey who is not up to date with the current thinking and latest way of doing things.

See the situation as a challenge to yourself to find a way of working with this man and to maybe gain from his experience as well as maybe introducing him to some of your more modern ideas.
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Yes, yes ... great sentiments, and ones in which I adhere to. However, these ideals are not always easily attainable.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, my husband worked with someone similar and, whilst being in no way prejudiced and being respectful of his experience, found his overall small-minded and petty outlook untenable.
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Update:
I was trying to find a suitable time to hand-over my resignation to my boss (the nice one, my direct report) but in the middle of the morning we all received an email announcing the departure of my boss!
Weird.
Then he called us and told us that he was leaving the company "for personal reasons". As usual, very professional.
Later today, I was called by the head of IT and the MD.
During the meeting they told me that given the vacuum that was generated in my area, they had considered that I may want to take the role of my soon to be ex-boss, on an interim basis, until they find a suitable, more senior, candidate.
I let them speak about career paths, long-term prospects, future salary improvements. A one hour conversation.
MD: White shirt, short-sleeve, black and yellow tie. Pen looking at me. Usual stuff. Predator eyes. Manipulative.
Head of IT: Baldie, suspenders (FFS! Gordon Gecko wannabe?), lifeless type of guy, monotone speech. Walks like a moron. Is a moron.
Remembered Donna Summer.
Enough is enough.
Handed over to them my resignation letter.
Thanks, bla, bla, left the room.
Just finished a long conversation with a good friend of mine (+10 yrs older than me w/family) about life in the Swiss corporate world.
But that will be another day. Going to bed.
I will sleep well tonight.
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It always feels great to resign. I should do it more often. I've been a freelancer for much of my working life so have missed out on this one perk of being a "permie" employee.
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It was a magical feeling when I resigned from my last Job. I was asked if there was anything they could do to change my mind but then my boss looked at me for a moment and then laughed and said to me. ' From the positive and happy vibe I'm getting from you, I'm guessing the answer would be no'

There were a few tossers in the team that made life difficult at times, but generally, I had a great time, it was a good company and I had some really excellent work colleagues. But it was only when I put in my resignation that I realised just how much I needed a change.
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MD: White shirt, short-sleeve, black and yellow tie. Pen looking at me. Usual stuff. Predator eyes. Manipulative.
Head of IT: Baldie, suspenders (FFS! Gordon Gecko wannabe?), lifeless type of guy, monotone speech. Walks like a moron. Is a moron.
They are well rid of an employee who is arrogant, judgemental and immature.

You may well be bald and will definitly be untrendy in clothing and attitudes in years ahead. You will be the old fogey complaining about the young and their attitudes and dress and how your era was the only one that was worthy.
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They are well rid of an employee who is arrogant, judgemental and immature.

You may well be bald and will definitly be untrendy in clothing and attitudes in years ahead. You will be the old fogey complaining about the young and their attitudes and dress and how your era was the only one that was worthy.
Yeah, what I see here is someone who doesn't appear to respect differences. That's all I can pick up from 5 posts but I don't think it's that far "off".
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so in other words you are quitting your job because you don't like your bosses dress style ?
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I wouldnt be surprised if OP joins a fashion house

Anyways, Good Luck to OP for his new assignments.
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