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Old 26.04.2012, 15:07
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Personally, I get "the 3 year itch".
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Old 26.04.2012, 15:17
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Re: Advertising the same job again and again!

There could be another explanation as I've been on the receiving end of this as a hiring manager, and I'll say it -- working for Coke. Most likely, these big companies have to advertise 'outside' even if they have an 'inside' candidate. I'm betting that they had someone 'inside' or a good 'outside' prospect that they made an offer to when they turned you down the first time, guessing it was a done deal. I'm betting the candidate didn't take the job, so they went to the 'second' bench - you, after the first prospect turned them down.

And at this point, what happened to me as a hiring manager, was it was close to end of the year and budgets got shut down. So even though I pursued people, I had to tell them the position was closed. Until the following year when budgets were renewed and the position opened up again. It doesn't mean the company is bad -- but all companies go thru it. It sucks as a hiring manager because you lose credibility, is the job on or off? I think it happens in most big corps.
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Old 26.04.2012, 15:52
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Re: Advertising the same job again and again!

Imerkel, you could be right. My interview was in September.
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Old 26.04.2012, 16:04
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And at this point, what happened to me as a hiring manager, was it was close to end of the year and budgets got shut down. So even though I pursued people, I had to tell them the position was closed. Until the following year when budgets were renewed and the position opened up again. It doesn't mean the company is bad -- but all companies go thru it. It sucks as a hiring manager because you lose credibility, is the job on or off? I think it happens in most big corps.
I've been there, too, as a hiring manager. But there's a difference between telling your candidates that the position is closed and telling them that (1) a candidate was selected or (2) that they did not fit the role profile. If (1) or (2) or not true, then tell the candidate the truth... e.g. We have to close the announcement and reannounce it after January. We'd welcome you to reapply at that time.
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Old 26.04.2012, 16:34
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Or, the employer sucks so badly that there's a high turnover rate.
This is certainly possible! Or the manager in particular sux and can't even get internals to work for him/her.

In the case I wrote about it was a small employer who didn't suck. But if you were really ambition there wasn't very much growing room.

I just want to add that the "you don't fit the profile" (or other cliches) are just default letters. They don't usually reflect the real reason someone didn't get the job.
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Old 27.04.2012, 15:02
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I've been there, too, as a hiring manager. But there's a difference between telling your candidates that the position is closed and telling them that (1) a candidate was selected or (2) that they did not fit the role profile. If (1) or (2) or not true, then tell the candidate the truth... e.g. We have to close the announcement and reannounce it after January. We'd welcome you to reapply at that time.
We had this exact same situation where I am after the company
announced losses...
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Old 27.04.2012, 16:09
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I also find it unethical, especially if they're lying about having found a suitable candidate. HR need to be truthful in hiring practices. "Thank you for your application. Unfortunately, your skill set isn't what we're looking for."

Is that so hard???
Really, that would be so much better. My last job application for which I figured I was a really good match and should at least get a call or interview I got the rejection letter 2 weeks after sending it in (at least they were fast!). I loved the "with your qualifications we are sure you will find what you are looking for" line. Gee. I was looking to join your company...
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Swiss HR and companies are a complete mystery to me. I applied
for certain jobs where you could match skillset required with my
CV virtually 1:1 so I applied for the job.

About a week later, I received a mail saying that my profile did
not match what they were looking for.
Sounds familiar
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Old 27.04.2012, 21:14
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yes, and I don't want them either. I do find this practice unethiclal though. Why advertise a job unless you do want to hire someone?
What's unethical?

Sounds like the first time around, they didn't find the right person so they re-advertised. Second time around they offered someone a position and either that person pulled out at the last minute, or took the job but then left.

Both those last possibilities happen all the time. We had a new guy start at my place in January. Moved with his wife and baby over from the UK. Great guy. End of the first week, we all went out for dinner, and he and his wife seemed delighted to have made the move.

We never saw them again. HR had a mail on the Monday morning to say that they'd changed their minds.

That scenario might be unusual, but it's really not uncommon for someone to accept a job, then somewhere during the 3 month notice period, they find an even better opportunity, or their existing company decide they don't want to lose them and increase their salary.

So I don't really understand your point. Without much more information from all sides, you can't accuse them of unethical practices.

Is it possible that they looked at you and your CV and thought: "We quite like this guy but hang on... 4 jobs in 4 years? How long will he stay with us?"
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Old 29.04.2012, 11:04
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Is it possible that they looked at you and your CV and thought: "We quite like this guy but hang on... 4 jobs in 4 years? How long will he stay with us?"
no, that's not the case. I did get 2 interviews for that job.
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Old 29.04.2012, 13:51
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no, that's not the case. I did get 2 interviews for that job.
Sure, I took that into account.

The (possible) doubt about the 4-jobs-in-4-years thing can come after the interview stage, when HR is looking at the final shortlisted candidates, and trying to make a decision. There are times when 2 or 3 candidates all look good, and have all interviewed well, so they start to look at other ways of making a decision.

Incidentally I have also had a fairly 'active' employment history, so I'm not being critical or holier-than-thou. But moving around a bit too much was once given as a reason for me not getting the final decision. In some situations it can be seen as positive e.g. a desire to get on in your career or a desire to learn different things, but for other HR depts I guess it can be an alarm bell. Just a thought.
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Old 29.04.2012, 14:01
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Swiss HR and companies are a complete mystery to me. I applied
for certain jobs where you could match skillset required with my
CV virtually 1:1 so I applied for the job.

About a week later, I received a mail saying that my profile did
not match what they were looking for.
maybe you should have written back and questioned them on this...
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Old 29.04.2012, 14:07
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maybe you should have written back and questioned them on this...
Also, there is a difference between skillset and profile.

They may have an (unadvertised) preference for a man, or an under-30, or a non-smoker, or a keen sportsperson, or someone with no kids.... the list is endless. This may be policy or it may be prejudice, and it may not even be a conscious prejudice on behalf of the recruiter.
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Old 29.04.2012, 14:28
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Swiss HR and companies are a complete mystery to me. I applied
for certain jobs where you could match skillset required with my
CV virtually 1:1 so I applied for the job.

About a week later, I received a mail saying that my profile did
not match what they were looking for.
I've often wondered what it was that made them reject me. I've asked a couple to reveal what it was to help me in my job search but I just get some generic response again.

I suspect it is something unjustifiable, such as age, nationality, permit status, too fat/thin/white/dark, missing an eyeball, etc. Some reason unrelated to merit.

Employers hurt themselves when they discriminate, but unfortunately in Europe it's perfectly legal.

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Old 29.04.2012, 16:57
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In March last year I applied for an IT job with a big insurance company but got an email saying that I was unsuccessful. 2 months later the same job was again advertised and I applied again. This time I got a telephone interview and a face to face interview but was told that the the company had decided on another candidate. Now I see that the same position is once again being advertised. Just what is going on here? Luckily I now have a job I'm happy with now but seeing something like this really makes me wonder about hiring procedures in some companies. Are they really looking to hire someone or is it just HR creating work for themselves?
The simple answer might be that the the company has several positions at that level, it is after all a large company... Where I work we have 100s in some positions and we do not rewrite the ad every time we need to get some one new on board...
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Old 30.04.2012, 13:47
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Sure, I took that into account.

The (possible) doubt about the 4-jobs-in-4-years thing can come after the interview stage, when HR is looking at the final shortlisted candidates, and trying to make a decision. There are times when 2 or 3 candidates all look good, and have all interviewed well, so they start to look at other ways of making a decision.

Incidentally I have also had a fairly 'active' employment history, so I'm not being critical or holier-than-thou. But moving around a bit too much was once given as a reason for me not getting the final decision. In some situations it can be seen as positive e.g. a desire to get on in your career or a desire to learn different things, but for other HR depts I guess it can be an alarm bell. Just a thought.
I do appreciate your point. In my case, I had my first job here for 3 years, then one job which I lost after 3 months due to illness, one 2 month contract and now I have a permanent job. I had the first interview shortly after losing my second job. You are correct in saying that moving around a lot can look bad.

It is possible that they have several jobs at this level, unlikely as it is rather specialised, but possible. The do have a few people on L permits so it could be to replace one of them.
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Employers hurt themselves when they discriminate, but unfortunately in Europe it's perfectly legal.
Age discrimintaion is a big problem in Europe but is it worse here than elsewhere? I've heard that for 45+ in Germany, it is almost impossible to find a new job, regardless of your skills.
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Re: Advertising the same job again and again!

[QUOTE=HollidayG;1546015]Swiss HR and companies are a complete mystery to me. I applied
for certain jobs where you could match skillset required with my
CV virtually 1:1 so I applied for the job.

About a week later, I received a mail saying that my profile did
not match what they were looking for.

That reminds me the time I applied for a job with a company in Luzern. They were looking for a Spanish speaker to work at their office. I sent them my CV and an application letter.

They replayed that, unfortunately, my knowledge of Spanish was not at the level they requiered That really hurted, as Spanish is my mother tongue
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Re: Advertising the same job again and again!

I just checked jobs.ch today and see that that same job is still being advertised!
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Re: Advertising the same job again and again!

I see jobs advertised for over 1.5 years or so withouth being filled
for which I am relatively well qualified.
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