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Old 14.06.2012, 21:30
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Re: 2 year contract vs temporary unemployment

So if the project gets cancelled I am sure the OP's employer will have no issues giving notice under the contract. Jobs for life don't exist in the way they used to.
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Re: 2 year contract vs temporary unemployment

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It's not that I don't agree with that. It's just that you didn't say you'd HATE the job. Just that it was not ideal. You might end up liking it. Or at least not hating getting up every morning!

Plus, the fact is that the job market is tight and if you are unemployed people do judge and wonder why are you unemployed.

Good luck!
No, i will not hate the job.
I will hate the feeling that i am not learning enough. After a long and tough PhD and a PostDoc i feel like stuck, always using the same methods, the same way of thinking etc etc. I was hoping to go to industry to find some extra motivation. Instead of learning a slightly new subject i would like to see "the real world", learn a new way of working, of thinking. Only then i will be sure on what i prefer.
Instead it have just a new research position. And for sure before change position again i will try to accomplish something with the new project, so i will stick around for 6-9 months ...

Maybe i am just too ambitious, and pretend too much ...
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Re: 2 year contract vs temporary unemployment

I get what you're saying, but I think you're asking the wrong people for advice. I'm not in academia but I understand it's a different world to many industries. You walking out in the middle of a 2-year research project to go into industry could well be seen negatively if you decide to return to academia in the future - I don't know for sure, and neither do most of the people who have responded here. It's common in my industry for people to move frequently so it's generally not perceived badly, but thats not the same everywhere.

Also as someone else said you should check the T&Cs - financial penalties are unlikely, but there may be a long notice period. It's not always 1 month, in my field at my level 6 months is standard in Switzerland.

Given that it's apparently not in your nature to leave things incomplete, I would recommend that if you take this contract that you do it with the intention of finishing it, and start looking for a new job well in advance of the finish date to start after. That only means waiting a year-18 months really, during which time you can network, try to make some contacts in industry and maybe do some visits and try and figure out exactly what you do want to do.

If you can afford to be unemployed for a while and it won't cause stress (eg if you have a family to support), then why not focus on looking for a different job. But use the non-working time wisely to improve your skillset, languages, travel etc.

Finally, early 30s is not old, you have a long career ahead of you and plenty of time to try new things! But remember the grass is not always greener on the other side...
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Re: 2 year contract vs temporary unemployment

If you end up taking that position, also notice that sooner or later the people hiring you will also be reading this thread and will be able to recognize you from the info you've given so far. There's not that many universities in Zürich hiring PhDs for 2 year project at this very moment you know.
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No, i will not hate the job.
I will hate the feeling that i am not learning enough. After a long and tough PhD and a PostDoc i feel like stuck, always using the same methods, the same way of thinking etc etc. I was hoping to go to industry to find some extra motivation. Instead of learning a slightly new subject i would like to see "the real world", learn a new way of working, of thinking. Only then i will be sure on what i prefer.
Instead it have just a new research position. And for sure before change position again i will try to accomplish something with the new project, so i will stick around for 6-9 months ...

Maybe i am just too ambitious, and pretend too much ...
Darling, the real world ain't all it's cracked up to be! :P
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Re: 2 year contract vs temporary unemployment

I would recommend that you take the job being offered.

- Many companies operating within the CH engineering sector are currently downsizing, not hiring. Many of the large engineering companies that typically take on PhDs, have hiring freezes in place.

- Without previous industry experience, you will be at a significant disadvantage. Many positions are currently being filled by people who already have direct experience in the particular job. Many positions are being filled by people who are in fact over-qualified in terms of experience.

- If you are unemployed and applying for jobs, human resources and the hiring manager will want to know why. You could be overlooked, regardless of how good your explanation might sound. This effect will only be compounded if you find yourself out of a job for an extended period.

- If you already have a job and you are fortunate to be offered another job, it will allow you to negotiate from a position of strength. I.e. Remuneration, etc.

- Do you speak fluent German? If not, your chances of obtaining another job in CH, within the current economic climate are significantly reduced.

Don`t worry about the possibility of breaking your contract at a later stage. Remember: Your employer can also break the contract at any time too. It works both ways.
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If you can afford to be unemployed for a while and it won't cause stress (eg if you have a family to support), then why not focus on looking for a different job. But use the non-working time wisely to improve your skillset, languages, travel etc.
Well actually i can, even without asking for help, you know i am a saver.
And exactely "improve my skillset, languages, travel" were in my thoughts

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From the info you've given so far
Most of the informations here are likely but not exact

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Darling, the real world ain't all it's cracked up to be! :P
Sure but i will never know untill i seet it :P


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I would recommend that you take the job being offered
It looks like a good suggestion...

thank you all. Sometimes, it is nice to check with several others your own ideas.

and lets hope that in a year the job situation will be better ...
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Old 14.06.2012, 23:59
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Well actually i can, even without asking for help, you know i am a saver.
And exactely "improve my skillset, languages, travel" were in my thoughts



Most of the informations here are likely but not exact



Sure but i will never know untill i seet it :P




It looks like a good suggestion...

thank you all. Sometimes, it is nice to check with several others your own ideas.

and lets hope that in a year the job situation will be better ...
That would be 2013 and we may be looking at 2012 as the good old days.
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Re: 2 year contract vs temporary unemployment

Com'on, at the end everything will be OK.
So if things will not be OK it will not be the end.
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Re: 2 year contract vs temporary unemployment

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Also as someone else said you should check the T&Cs - financial penalties are unlikely, but there may be a long notice period. It's not always 1 month, in my field at my level 6 months is standard in Switzerland.

Now i am curious on the OP choice.

But I also have just accepted a temporary position and my employment conditions states :

Notice is not required for fixed-term employment. End of contract in accordance with the fixed period.

Not clear which is the legal meaning of this. Thus i was looking for insight here

Good luck though
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