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Yes, you got that wrong but you still will have to pay as from the date you got here
I think I finally understood the insurance part.
And with other help I think I start to understand how the unemployment benefit is calculated.

Now I just need to understand the other two questions:

"Does the fact that I was on the benefit in Ireland (from January until May) affects negatively my outcome for the benefit in Switzerland (as the tax paying work came before that, and after that I have only about 8 months of tax paying work)?"
Or that doesn't matter: 12 months worked paying taxes in the last 2 years is all that counts?

"If I do get the benefit, could I move? I am currently living (because of work) in a very small village, and I think I would improve my chances of finding work (and reduce my costs to go to a RAV office as often as necessary) if I move to the nearest town."


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Re: Unemployment benefits - amount / deductions / timing etc.

"Does the fact that I was on the benefit in Ireland (from January until May) affects negatively my outcome for the benefit in Switzerland (as the tax paying work came before that, and after that I have only about 8 months of tax paying work)?"
Or that doesn't matter: 12 months worked paying taxes in the last 2 years is all that counts?"

Response: an applicant needs to demonstrate 12 months of work in the past 24 months. For work in EU/EEA, form PD U1 needs to be obtained from each country to demonstrate work history. These can be obtained after registration.

"If I do get the benefit, could I move? I am currently living (because of work) in a very small village, and I think I would improve my chances of finding work (and reduce my costs to go to a RAV office as often as necessary) if I move to the nearest town."

Response: Yes, applicant should register at RAV office responsible for the area where applicant resides.
If applicant moves to another residence after registering with RAV, then there is a process to change RAV offices.
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For work in EU/EEA, form PD U1 needs to be obtained from each country to demonstrate work history. These can be obtained after registration.

Response: Yes, applicant should register at RAV office responsible for the area where applicant resides.
If applicant moves to another residence after registering with RAV, then there is a process to change RAV offices.
Thank you so much for your answer!

So, just to see if I got it right. I can get unemployed, register at the RAV and THEN collect the PD U1 forms? What's the time limit for that? Within the month? Anyway, I should start getting those already (I have a month and half before the end of my work).

And I would register on the RAV of the nearest town (I live in the village) and plan to move to that same town. Shouldn't be a problem if I will continue in the same RAV office, right?
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Re: Unemployment benefits - amount / deductions / timing etc.

Good evening everyone,i just joined here and i have a question about the unemployment benefits..I am here in Switzerland already for 10 months,and been working for 9 months straight and now on 28th February i am without job my employer terminated my contract which it was open contract,my question is do i qualify for going under RUV in Luzern with only 9 working months,i am planing to go the very next day that would be 1st of March,and also another thing i am with visa holder L which expires on 26ht of March,would that be a problem can the RUV extend the visa or?Please reply me as soon as possible..Apriciate in advance for all the help,btw i dont know how is in the other cantons for the RUV with how many months but as i heard in Luzern is one of the most thoughesst canton please reply me...
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Re: Unemployment benefits - amount / deductions / timing etc.

Depends if you've worked in another EU country before you came here. The rule is 12 months out of the last 24 so if you worked in Bulgaria or elsewhere in the EU for more than 3 months you should be able to claim unemployment. However, since Bulgarians and Romanians are under the quota system for permits at the moment, I don't know whether RAV would extend the permit or not. This is due to end on 31st May 2018 unless the Swiss extend it - not sure if they can or not.

Edit: Reading your other post, since you don't plan to stay here, you won't get any unemployment. You can ask for a form from RAV so you can claim up to 3 months unemployment in Bulgaria, but it wouldn't apply to Macedonia since it's not in the EU.
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Re: Unemployment benefits - amount / deductions / timing etc.

That was a fast reply anyway i just want to see what kimd of a options do.i have,btw 2015 i was working for a river cruise ships under swiss contract for 7 months from march i think until november,than 2016 i had a break didnt go anywhere,and 2017 march 28 applied for the visa and got the visa in may 2017,than started to work for a company here based in Solothurn,construction company from june 2017 till now end of Febryary 28,will this count if i can claim RUV,and if i can't go under RUV i just want to know my other options if i leave the state and end with it,like i mentioned in the other topic about the pension plan..So if i can't go under RUV in Luzern can i claim the money from the first pilar the pension not the pensionkasse cause that i know that i can claim it if i leave the country,waiting for answer..
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I doubt it, but it would be paid out to you on retirement. Still check with your local compensation office to be sure.

https://www.ahv-iv.ch/en/Social-insu...insurance-OASI
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Re: Unemployment benefits - amount / deductions / timing etc.

I will ask directly in the ausgekleichkasse Luzern its only a mile from my place,anyway what you think bout the working time do i qualify for RUV since is 12 months in 24 i think.i have and plus i still have all the payslips even from way back...Should i bother going in the RUV or?
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It won't hurt to check and then you'll know. I assume if you can't get unemployment you wouldn't stay anyway so depending on what they say, you can make plans on what you're going to do next.
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So, I went to RAV today and I ended up with more questions than answers! hehehe
There was one thing in particular that got me confused.
He told me that in order to start the process I would need my "termination letter". And he told me I need to get this in February still, as one only starts to count in the end of the month, and if I get it in March (any day for whatsoever), it can only be a termination for the end of April.
That is a bit confusing for me. I have an open contract and it seems like my boss will need me until 08/04. How could they produce a termination letter that is not for the end of the month? (in every other country that I worked whenever you are given or give notice it starts counting the next day, so if I give my notice today, 23rd of February, I would have to work until the 24th of March...) Could they end my contract without such document? Because I don't think my employer would want to keep me even a single day longer than 08/04, because the hotel will be closed (therefore no need for me at all).
To be honest I'm a bit unwilling to go to my employer and ask for such letter, as they maintain a very abusive relationship with me (well, with most of the staff actually), and I know they want to get rid of me as soon as possible (just can't right now because they would be short staffed), and my probation period ends on the 5th of March (my contract says that the probation is one month, but can be 3, and during that they can let me go in 7 days, but can be 3... I never saw such strange clause. Also it doesn't say anything about how it works AFTER the probation, but I assume it should be a month's notice).
Can anyone shed some light?
Thanks in advance!
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Old 23.02.2018, 22:19
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Re: Unemployment benefits - amount / deductions / timing etc.

But you are not in any other country, you're in Switzerland and that's how it works here.

And unless you're confusing dates what's wrong with working until the 24th March instead of until the 8th of April?
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But you are not in any other country, you're in Switzerland and that's how it works here.

And unless you're confusing dates what's wrong with working until the 24th March instead of until the 8th of April?
You seem upset by my question. Have I offended you? If I did, I apologise, because I never had such intention.

The 24th of March was just an example.
Well, I would prefer to work as long as possible, and that would be 8th of April. What confuses me is that the employee at RAV told me I should request my notice letter still within the month of February. Shouldn't this be someone my employer need to do, instead of having me asking? And if I ask in February, wouldn't this mean that my termination will be in the end of March, instead of 8th of April?
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Re: Unemployment benefits - amount / deductions / timing etc.

I'm not upset or annoyed, I simply point out that Switzerland works differently to other countries you may have lived/worked in. Things are geared toward the end of the month.

I'm not up on your particular situation, but I suspect if you get your termination letter this month your last day of work would be the 29th March, since the 30th is Good Friday. If you don't get your termination letter until March, it woud be the end of April, probably 27th that you would have to be paid to.

Still, if they apply the 7 days notice period then it would be earlier. The minimum notice period as far as I know is 7 days, it can't be shorter than that.
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I'm not up on your particular situation, but I suspect if you get your termination letter this month your last day of work would be the 29th March, since the 30th is Good Friday.
March 30 is a normal working day here and in other cantons, it is only a holiday in some cantons.

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March 30 is a normal working day here and in other cantons, it is only a holiday in some cantons.

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No, what you mean is it's a holiday everywhere in Switzerland except for Ticino and Valais.

https://publicholidays.ch/2018-dates/

But then these things never seem to agree for Switzerland. This one says is a national holiday everywhere - including Ticino and Valais!

https://www.officeholidays.com/count...land/index.php
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I'm not upset or annoyed, I simply point out that Switzerland works differently to other countries you may have lived/worked in. Things are geared toward the end of the month.

I'm not up on your particular situation, but I suspect if you get your termination letter this month your last day of work would be the 29th March, since the 30th is Good Friday. If you don't get your termination letter until March, it woud be the end of April, probably 27th that you would have to be paid to.

Still, if they apply the 7 days notice period then it would be earlier. The minimum notice period as far as I know is 7 days, it can't be shorter than that.
Thank you so much. And Im relived that you are not upset.

Yes, I have the same perception: that if I have my notice in February, I will terminate my employment before April starts. Which doesn't make sense for me.
But it wouldn't make sense for my employer to give me a notice that goes until the end of April when the hotel closes after the end of the first week of April.
In my contract says how long is the notice period (7, but can be 3) BEFORE the probation time ends. But doesn't say how long it is after it ends. Does that means it goes by some national standard?
If my notice period, even after the probation, is just 7 days, there would be no point for my employer to give me notice prior than a week before the end. And I need the notice of termination to start the process of evaluation if I can be on the dole or not. Would an application of such short notice (mere 7 days before unemployment) be disadvantageous for me? You see, when I went there he simply didn't want to discuss how to get proof of my work in other EFTA/EU countries (even though I showed him some P45's I have, but he was unsure if that would suffice).
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If the notice period after the probation period isn't specified in your contract then it's the standard which is 1 month.

Obvioulsy a shorter notice period will not help if they've got to assess whether you're eligible or not. They're not going to start paying you until they're sure you qualify and that may well take longer than 7 days.
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If the notice period after the probation period isn't specified in your contract then it's the standard which is 1 month.

Obvioulsy a shorter notice period will not help if they've got to assess whether you're eligible or not. They're not going to start paying you until they're sure you qualify and that may well take longer than 7 days.
I guess I have no choice but to ask my employer when the hell they plan to give me my official notice...
Maybe they can give a month's notice without counting from the end of the month (so, they would give me my notice on the 7th of February so I will finish at 8th of March...would that make sense and be possible?)
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Re: Unemployment benefits - amount / deductions / timing etc.

Hi,

I’m encountering a difficult situation at the moment regarding my current employment. Perhaps someone in this thread has been in a similar position or understands the due process to the below context?

Context:
As a Swiss national based in Zurich, I have been working at my current employer for the past 2 years (full-time permanent contract, ALV deducted monthly). I now find myself in the predicament of needing to submit my resignation due to unethical reasons that have surfaced at the company I work for (my case is substantially motivated). This, along with having applied at numerous positions over the past 5 months to no avail, have affected my psychological well-being. I have therefore decided to resign giving 2 months’ notice which I understand to be RAV/ALK-compliant (although I need clarification about this), with the aim of dedicating 100% of my time to find a role in ZH that fits my career aspirations and ethics. I can also prove that I have been submitting applications over the past 5 months.

Questions:
1. Will the ALK provide financial support for my situation on the basis that I am resigning with 2 months’ notice and considering I will continue my job search during my notice period (aiming for as many possible applications p/m)?

2. Are there any other (qualifying/disqualifying) criteria I should be aware of? I’m trying to foresee all issues before I submit my notice as I am aware my resignation could affect eligibility or the financial penalty allocation that the ALK may assign to individuals who resign.

3. Would I need to prove that I am clinically ‘burnt out’ by getting a medical document from a registered counselor/psychologist, or would a stated reason in my resignation letter authorised by HR suffice?

I would really appreciate any advice in finding the best approach forward.
Thanks a lot!

Some helpful links for those in a similar position:
https://www.ch.ch/en/unemployment/
https://awa.zh.ch/internet/volkswirt...ng_im_rav.html
I would also advise going through the following e-learning tool link as it answers many questions
https://awa.zh.ch/internet/volkswirt...html#a-content
https://www.arbeit.swiss/secoalv/en/home.html
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If you resign you won't get any payments for several months if at all.

If you are burnt out you won't get any benefits as your not fit to work, you need to go sick.

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Hi,

I’m encountering a difficult situation at the moment regarding my current employment. Perhaps someone in this thread has been in a similar position or understands the due process to the below context?

Context:
As a Swiss national based in Zurich, I have been working at my current employer for the past 2 years (full-time permanent contract, ALV deducted monthly). I now find myself in the predicament of needing to submit my resignation due to unethical reasons that have surfaced at the company I work for (my case is substantially motivated). This, along with having applied at numerous positions over the past 5 months to no avail, have affected my psychological well-being. I have therefore decided to resign giving 2 months’ notice which I understand to be RAV/ALK-compliant (although I need clarification about this), with the aim of dedicating 100% of my time to find a role in ZH that fits my career aspirations and ethics. I can also prove that I have been submitting applications over the past 5 months.

Questions:
1. Will the ALK provide financial support for my situation on the basis that I am resigning with 2 months’ notice and considering I will continue my job search during my notice period (aiming for as many possible applications p/m)?

2. Are there any other (qualifying/disqualifying) criteria I should be aware of? I’m trying to foresee all issues before I submit my notice as I am aware my resignation could affect eligibility or the financial penalty allocation that the ALK may assign to individuals who resign.

3. Would I need to prove that I am clinically ‘burnt out’ by getting a medical document from a registered counselor/psychologist, or would a stated reason in my resignation letter authorised by HR suffice?

I would really appreciate any advice in finding the best approach forward.
Thanks a lot!

Some helpful links for those in a similar position:
https://www.ch.ch/en/unemployment/
https://awa.zh.ch/internet/volkswirt...ng_im_rav.html
I would also advise going through the following e-learning tool link as it answers many questions
https://awa.zh.ch/internet/volkswirt...html#a-content
https://www.arbeit.swiss/secoalv/en/home.html
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