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The relation between redundancy package and unemployment payment

Hello,

I am new to the forum and probably wrongly loaded my message as a reply to another forum. So better to open a new thread.
My company just announced that they will go to a downsizing. I am in canton Vaud. It is not certain yet with my position and I am trying to clarify my situation if in case they make me redundant.I have a local contract with no end date and I am working with a B permit and I am not from European Union.
It has been announced that there would be a redundancy package. My current Gross salary is 14 000 CHF*13 months and I have a school age kid.I am working for the company for 3 years but I have a continuous service for the company in other subsidiaries for a total of 15 years. I would need your help for the following quesitons;

1- I understood from the below messages that if the salary is above a certain level, they delay the payment .But will redundancy pakage even delay it more?
2-What would be the length of the period that I will get a unemployment salary? Again will redundancy package impact the duration?
3- Finally will the monthly salary change because of it?or will it the usual formula of 80%?

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Re: The relation between redundancy package and unemployment payment

If you can read French you may find this interesting:

http://www.guidechomage.ch/articles/...t-licenciement

Any redundancy payment will cause a delay in the payment of your unemployment benefits:

"Tout comme l'indemnité pour longs rapports de travail, cette prestation à bien plaire, qui ne répond pas obligatoirement aux conditions fixées par le CO, est en partie déduite de la perte de gain prise en considération par l'assurance-chômage et retarde d'autant l'ouverture d'un délai-cadre d'indemnisation. (pour les détails et la méthode de calcul, voir l'annexe 2.13 et pour l' actualisation le chapitre 19)"
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3- Finally will the monthly salary change because of it?or will it the usual formula of 80%?
People with children get 80% of their average salary from the last 6 months, up to a certain amount. The salary cap is 10,500CHF/m. You earn over that cap amount, the most you can receive is 8,900CHF/m.

The website Snoopy gave above provided everything you need to know and more.

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Re: The relation between redundancy package and unemployment payment

I will try to share some of what I know having gone through the process.

1- I understood from the below messages that if the salary is above a certain level, they delay the payment .But will redundancy pakage even delay it more?

The max you will get from RAV (or the French speaking part equivalent) is 80% of CHF126k. CHF 126k is the upper limit regardless of the fact that your salary was higher. You will get 80% as you have a child. As you have a child the delay in your first unemployment payment is about 5 days versus 21days for those with no kids.

As for your redundancy package it depends on whether it is a lump sum or if you continue to be employed by the company but do not go into work (gardening leave). If it is the latter, unemployment benefits begin when you are finished with your gardening leave. I am not sure how they treat a lump sum payment.

2-What would be the length of the period that I will get a unemployment salary? Again will redundancy package impact the duration?

As you have worked for 3 years for your employer and hopefully all this time in CH and have been paying the UI contributions, then you should get the max. amount which is 400 days. However if you are over 50 or 55 then the number of days increases.

3- Finally will the monthly salary change because of it?or will it the usual formula of 80%?

Your monthly benefit will not be effected by the redundancy package. It will be 80%.

hope this helps and best of luck
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Re: The relation between redundancy package and unemployment payment

thank you for the sharings. Yes I understand we will be given a lumpsum and I worked for complete 3 years.
I dont know french enough to understand the article i will try to translate it using google.

It is important that unemployment insurance is not delayed too much and the amount of support is not decreased because of the redundancy package. It is like this; I have 2 cars and one gets stolen . And the insurance is not paying because they think I have another car afterall. Redundancy packages are not only for filling the unemployed period but also a severance for the fact that you lose your history built in a company without your will.And there is an uncalculated cost for that.
I learned that our HR will work on this topic and try to do some workshops. When I learn some more details, I will share for the records
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... but also a severance for the fact that you lose your history built in a company without your will.And there is an uncalculated cost for that.
Yup, it's called 'Hard Luck'.

Someone earning over CHF14,000 a month *ought* not be worrying about buttering parsnips just yet, even if you're surviving on one car alone...
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Re: The relation between redundancy package and unemployment payment

It is true that I am lucky that I will receive a redundancy pack. Not knowing how competitive it will be. But this does not change the reality that I paid the premium for my insurance. And historical earnings does not increase the likelyhood of finding a job.
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It is true that I am lucky that I will receive a redundancy pack. Not knowing how competitive it will be. But this does not change the reality that I paid the premium for my insurance. And historical earnings does not increase the likelyhood of finding a job.
You'll probably find it's the same picture wherever you go. In the UK you have to declare savings as well as redundancy package to the unemployment people and they will adjust your benefit payments accordingly.

In some ways I think it's fair. The unemployment benefit is geared to keep people ticking over between jobs rather than act as a supplement to a luxury lifestyle. Redundancy packages are pretty rare in Switzerland maybe because the state benefits in the event of unemployment are so good.

You have to look at the big picture, you'll still have a roof over your heads, your child will still be in school, you'll have food on the table and access to great healthcare.

Maybe you have to forego a few luxuries in the coming months but the important stuff is kept safe.
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It is true that I am lucky that I will receive a redundancy pack. Not knowing how competitive it will be. But this does not change the reality that I paid the premium for my insurance. And historical earnings does not increase the likelyhood of finding a job.
You don't know how lucky you are, most people who loose their jobs get nothing for redundancy, why should you pocket a lump sum & get unemployment benefits? You will actually be up on the deal.

The insurance is against loss of earnings, your getting a lump sum to compensate for that loss.

The car insurance story is odd, I think you have not told us the full story, did you actually have theft insurance?
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In the UK you have to declare savings as well as redundancy package to the unemployment people and they will adjust your benefit payments accordingly.

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Savings have no impact on unemployment pay in the UK or here.
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Savings have no impact on unemployment pay in the UK or here.
OK, so it's changed. Last time I was unemployed in the UK was about 1994 and I had to declare whether I had savings over a certain amount (which I didn't have being a lowly paid runt of a company in those days).

I know you don't have to do this in Switzerland.
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The car insurance story is odd, I think you have not told us the full story, did you actually have theft insurance?
I assumed the car insurance reference was an analogy.
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