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Re: Is it possible to live in Switzerland earning 5800 CHF/month?

If it was you and your wife it will be good.

But since you have kids i would say to close for comfort, but then again its your choice and i am sure you will weight all routes.

I know someone who was brought over and he was fooled by the high pay, but in reality it was not high at all, he lives paycheck by paycheck.

Good luck, and dont listen to the super jaded expats here, follow your heart and plan wisely.
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Old 23.07.2012, 18:37
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You would be able to get by or even live fairly comfortably, especially if you earned much less in Portugal and struggled to pay bills. However, in one year or two you will get used to the lifestyle of Switzerland and it will become much, much harder if your wife won't get work.
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Old 23.07.2012, 18:52
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No, not 10x less expensive. Maybe 2.5x less expensive.
And wages in CH are 4x higher at least
How on earth you pay a mortgage on that salary is beyond me!

I heard back from my friend and she agrees that that salary is on the low side for your experience. But I think we already established that.

How is your French?
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Old 23.07.2012, 19:53
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How on earth you pay a mortgage on that salary is beyond me!

I heard back from my friend and she agrees that that salary is on the low side for your experience. But I think we already established that.

How is your French?
Mon français c'est encore un peu basique. C'est plus facile por moi écouter que parler. Je prend des laissons avec ma femme (français c'est sa langue maternelle).
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You would be able to get by or even live fairly comfortably, especially if you earned much less in Portugal and struggled to pay bills. However, in one year or two you will get used to the lifestyle of Switzerland and it will become much, much harder if your wife won't get work.
Right now I struggle to pay bills that's the truth, but I'll figure a way to get to Switzerland and improve my "lifestyle"
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Hi

Is it possible to live in Switzerland (anywhere) earning 5800 CHF/month (brut), and still support wife and 3 kids (ages 4,8,10) ?

According to salarium website 5800 CHF is the minumum average for an architect with my experience etc.

So I was wondering if I could support my familly while my wife looks for a job there...

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Jeez that's the only thing I say.... When I first saw the topic I thought "No way...." But I must say that Im impressed to read that people are living on this amount of money per month. It makes me think a little... For me 5800 would almost just cover my rent. Only my rent is around 4000chf. I wish you all the best.
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Re: Is it possible to live in Switzerland earning 5800 CHF/month?

I think if your single or a couple it would be ok. We did manage on about that wage for a year. We live in Fr so it was somwhat cheaper.

I dont know how we would have managed if there was 3 kids on top of that also.

But people do it! You will find your groove. Its just i think to make such a move in life and in your familys life... it would be worth more.

Hope you make the decision thats perfect for you and good luck
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I think if your single or a couple it would be ok. We did manage on about that wage for a year. We live in Fr so it was somwhat cheaper.

I dont know how we would have managed if there was 3 kids on top of that also.

But people do it! You will find your groove. Its just i think to make such a move in life and in your familys life... it would be worth more.

Hope you make the decision thats perfect for you and good luck
You're right. For such a big change it has to be a step up. That's why this has to be well planned.
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Re: Is it possible to live in Switzerland earning 5800 CHF/month?

I've been reading all the replies to this thread along with all the other threads on salaries and am completely shocked at some of the responses.

I myself will be moving to Switzerland next week and living in Fribourg but am a single person and have done a very generous budget for myself and am pretty sure that i can live very comfortably in CH.

I appreciate it is completely different when you have a family to support, but some of the people on this thread have said how they struggle even when they are single or in a couple, which i find very very hard to believe.

The way i see it, is unless you want to eat out all the time and have the greatest luxuries in life, then you can live very comfortably on that salary which i believe equates roughly to 90,000CHF gross.

So, i wish you all the best for you and your family and your move and hope Switzerland treats you as well as others have said it can amongst others on this forum.

All the best!
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Re: Is it possible to live in Switzerland earning 5800 CHF/month?

We (2 adults +toddler) spend about 2500 CHF monthly for the most essential things. 1100 CHF for rent and stuff (furnished 3.5 room house a few km from Bern), 550 CHF all insurances, 440 CHF two Generalbos, 400 CHF food (we cook at home, never go to restaurants and buy meat in Germany).

That leaves around 1000 CHF from our 3500 income for the rest, such as wine, diapers and travelling. But I guess I should mention our budget is so small because we do not work too much. Hiking is way more fun.
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Re: Is it possible to live in Switzerland earning 5800 CHF/month?

Also, digging up some old threads, you should find these useful too:

FAQ: Is CHF100'000 a good salary?

Cost of living - help needed to get it right

I know they are old, but a lot is still relevant and contain links to even more threads.

Happy reading! :-)
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Re: Is it possible to live in Switzerland earning 5800 CHF/month?

I'm not sure anyone is telling them not to come. We are just telling him that the salary is low for his experience. Beware salary dumping!

And that he needs to be realistic about the lifestyle he's going to have. Granted we don't know how he live in Portugal.

But it's not going to be much different in terms of meeting the bills at the end of the month. The biggest issue will be housing. A 3 bedroom is about 2500CHF, unless you are really really lucky or live far from the bigger cities. Though that's were the jobs tend to be.

And with 3 young kids even if his wife finds a job child care is very expensive.

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1100 CHF for rent and stuff
That's really really really very lucky.


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The way i see it, is unless you want to eat out all the time and have the greatest luxuries in life, then you can live very comfortably on that salary which i believe equates roughly to 90,000CHF gross.
5800CHF per month is CHF70,000. Salaries are quoted in gross not net. If he were offered 90K we wouldn't be having this conversation.


It CAN be done. No one is saying it can't. Anyway, it's better they are prepared for the worst and things go great instead of thinking it'll be easy and things go badly.
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I'm not sure anyone is telling them not to come. We are just telling him that the salary is low for his experience. Beware salary dumping!

And that he needs to be realistic about the lifestyle he's going to have. Granted we don't know how he live in Portugal.

But it's not going to be much different in terms of meeting the bills at the end of the month. The biggest issue will be housing. A 3 bedroom is about 2500CHF, unless you are really really lucky or live far from the bigger cities. Though that's were the jobs tend to be.

And with 3 young kids even if his wife finds a job child care is very expensive.



That's really really really very lucky.




5800CHF per month is CHF70,000. Salaries are quoted in gross not net. If he were offered 90K we wouldn't be having this conversation.


It CAN be done. No one is saying it can't. Anyway, it's better they are prepared for the worst and things go great instead of thinking it'll be easy and things go badly.
I totally agree with you miniMia. It's definitely better to be prepared because i know i asked all the same questions a few weeks back as well.

I agree the salary is low for the experience, but also the question was around if it was possible to live on 5800CHF/month. Which i'm pretty sure is completly comfortable to live on if single.

But maybe it is totally different for a family, so i again would have to agree and say that it sounds on the low side.
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I agree the salary is low for the experience, but also the question was around if it was possible to live on 5800CHF/month. Which i'm pretty sure is completly comfortable to live on if single.
It's more than enough for a single and a couple even.
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Re: Is it possible to live in Switzerland earning 5800 CHF/month?

A fair salary for my experience would be 7500CHF (gross) = 90.000CHF year.
If I can get that, I'll make the move.

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Re: Is it possible to live in Switzerland earning 5800 CHF/month?

I've been reading all this through so I guess it's time to add something too.

If you are ready to commute rent is a very flexible thing. Imagine you live in a place outside town but close to a train which connects you to the center in 20 minutes (you get quite far in a short time)

Initial costs can be reduced a lot by getting second hand stuff or stuff other people throw away and there is a lot of nice stuff that people throw away.

It has already been mentioned but living in switzerland on your own for some time might be a good thing. If you find a job even with a dumping salary it is possible to live comfortable with 2500 a month or even cheaper (by living in shared homes), supporting your family and save quite a bit. Within just a few months you could change your financial situation. Cheap flights and videoconference also make it a bit more bearable to be away from the family.

The other, in my opinion more important thing also has been mentioned. There are other things than money which are very important:

Language:
Everyone in the family must be ready to learn the local language. I would vote for the french part as well. It is possible to get by without any language knowledge and that is exactly the problem. You will need the discipline to learn it. Not knowing the language means isolation from the rest of the world. The kids have to go to school and learn the language anyway so no problem.
Your wife would be at risk if she can't find a job.

Again about money: Did you ever think about outsourcing? Applying for a job outside of Portugal and work remote? It's Just an idea.
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Your wife would be at risk if she can't find a job.

Again about money: Did you ever think about outsourcing? Applying for a job outside of Portugal and work remote? It's Just an idea.
What do you mean would be at risk?
No outsorcing....wanting to move.
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Re: Is it possible to live in Switzerland earning 5800 CHF/month?

About language:

My wife speaks french. She's a native speaker.
I speak basic french and I'm learning right now to become better.
Our kids are starting to learn french too.

I think we're on the right path.
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Re: Is it possible to live in Switzerland earning 5800 CHF/month?

Well if language is no problem you find a job and your family is ready to dive into a different world with a different culture and different climate, i guess: Don't worry.
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Well if language is no problem you find a job and your family is ready to dive into a different world with a different culture and different climate, i guess: Don't worry.
Different climate doesn't bother me at all. As for culture I think there won't be a problem... only time will tell. My wife lived in the french region of alsace, maybe for there isn't such a big cultural difference.

I'll worry when (and if) I get there.
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