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Old 20.07.2012, 14:48
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Over-egged titles

Why is it everyone seems to have blown up titles in CH? eg:

- Associate Director
- Executive Director
- Vice President
- President of xxxx
- Head of xxxx

...yet they all seem to be in middle management, doing normal manager or Project Manager roles?
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Old 20.07.2012, 17:20
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Why is it everyone seems to have blown up titles in CH? eg:

- Associate Director
- Executive Director
- Vice President
- President of xxxx
- Head of xxxx

...yet they all seem to be in middle management, doing normal manager or Project Manager roles?
Ask the people who brought them over the big pond. Up to the early ninetees you knew what job you were applying to. Then with the arrival of more and more international companies everybody started to advertise this way. As if people were looking for titles instead of jobs.
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Old 20.07.2012, 17:27
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Re: Over-egged titles

Is Chief Omelette Maker over-egged?
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Old 20.07.2012, 17:36
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Re: Over-egged titles

I think my title of Chief Executive Head Director of Internet Comments and Forum Posts is an accurate representation of what I do all day. Touch of jealousy going on here I think, it's easy to see why people would be envious of such a spendid job title.
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Old 20.07.2012, 17:45
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As if people were looking for titles instead of jobs.
Where I am, a director in your title unlocks the 'Company Car' benefit (CHF 50k car, free fuel, servicing, insurance etc..)... major Ker-chingggg!!!

Everything else is horses**t
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Old 20.07.2012, 18:54
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I'm happy with "scumbag contractor".
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Old 20.07.2012, 19:43
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Director of Internet Comments
.....Head would be a suitable title for many others on forums around the world.
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Old 20.07.2012, 20:00
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Re: Over-egged titles

My friendly colleagues call me the Special High Intensity Training Head.

One of my former colleagues was the Worldwide Head of Rewards & Expats. He used to get about a bit.

I wonder what they would call me if they didn't like me.

But seriously, the naming weirdness also extends to departments.

One of my previous employers used to have Centres of Competence & Knowledge.

We used to say the company was full of cocks.
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Old 20.07.2012, 20:07
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Re: Over-egged titles

Either cheaper than giving a raise (make them feel important) or just so that they can get major bonuses without many raising an eyebrow......
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Old 20.07.2012, 20:38
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One of my previous employers used to have Centres of Competence & Knowledge.

We used to say the company was full of cocks.
I think I have posted this before, but at a place where I worked for a few months last year (American company with offices in Switzerland and in London), the helpdesk was renamed to Global IT Support.

The GITS in London were not happy about the change...
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Old 20.07.2012, 22:03
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I think I have posted this before, but at a place where I worked for a few months last year (American company with offices in Switzerland and in London), the helpdesk was renamed to Global IT Support.

The GITS in London were not happy about the change...
As the Global IT-Support of our company is in Hungary and the woman on the phone sounds like a 0900 sex phone number, nobody's complaining
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Old 20.07.2012, 22:14
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Why is it everyone seems to have blown up titles in CH? eg:

- Associate Director
- Executive Director
- Vice President
- President of xxxx
- Head of xxxx

...yet they all seem to be in middle management, doing normal manager or Project Manager roles?

You are the Executive Vice President of Exaggeration

I have only come across such title inflation in Swiss banks, where they need to make private clients feel important by being looked after by a VP or similar.

In multinationals, I think that there are pretty strict corporate guidelines and Directors or VPs tend to have pretty large roles - either budget, team size or geography.

"Head of....." can be used pretty widely though, I agree, but doesnt hold any impression of seniority to me personally
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Old 20.07.2012, 22:31
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I think I have posted this before, but at a place where I worked for a few months last year (American company with offices in Switzerland and in London), the helpdesk was renamed to Global IT Support.

The GITS in London were not happy about the change...
Hehe! I worked in a GIT division here for a while. Always made me smile broadly whenever I typed that acronym.
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I have only come across such title inflation in Swiss banks, where they need to make private clients feel important by being looked after by a VP or similar.

In multinationals, I think that there are pretty strict corporate guidelines and Directors or VPs tend to have pretty large roles - either budget, team size or geography.

"Head of....." can be used pretty widely though, I agree, but doesnt hold any impression of seniority to me personally
I don't know about IT, but in banking, be it investment banking, private banking, or asset management, the title structure is a very clearly defined thing and not at all a Swiss-only phenomenon.

For anyone who is interested, it works pretty much like the military where bank "staff" are the NCOs and the officer rank equivalents are:

Analyst - Officer Candidate / 2nd Lt.
Associate VP - Lieutenant / Captain
Vice President - Captain / Major
Director (or Executive VP) - Lt. Colonel / Colonel
Managing Director - Brig. / Major / Lt. / Generals
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Old 20.07.2012, 23:01
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In my previous company everything changed (at least in our dept) when they wanted to standardize the names across world areas, I was a 'global angela', someone in the US with my same position (and one third of the salary) was an 'associate director angela' all fluff and nothing substantial really...title changing did not really went through though...
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Old 20.07.2012, 23:04
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I don't know about IT, but in banking, be it investment banking, private banking, or asset management, the title structure is a very clearly defined thing and not at all a Swiss-only phenomenon.

For anyone who is interested, it works pretty much like the military where bank "staff" are the NCOs and the officer rank equivalents are:

Analyst - Officer Candidate / 2nd Lt.
Associate VP - Lieutenant / Captain
Vice President - Captain / Major
Director (or Executive VP) - Lt. Colonel / Colonel
Managing Director - Brig. / Major / Lt. / Generals
In pretty much every company I've been associated with (including a Swiss IB many years ago), Vice President is above Director (and your Associate VP would be an Associate Director).

Of course, such titles are nonsense now in the world of fast-paced startups where the real money is.
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Old 20.07.2012, 23:11
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I think it is important that your title reflects the important work that you do.
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Old 20.07.2012, 23:17
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Re: Over-egged titles

Sounds like an American firm or one with loads or american management, its not a normal swiss thing to have over rated titles if any thing they have very simple and underrated titles.

However americans who are like entry level personnel are vice president of anything
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In pretty much every company I've been associated with (including a Swiss IB many years ago), Vice President is above Director (and your Associate VP would be an Associate Director).

Of course, such titles are nonsense now in the world of fast-paced startups where the real money is.
Not in one of the big banks:

Staff
Assistant Vice President
Vice President
Director
Managing Director
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Not in one of the big banks:

Staff
Assistant Vice President
Vice President
Director
Managing Director
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They clearly tried to copy typical US management structure and got it wrong. (Nothing new there then).
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