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help: Trainee salary Lucerne

hello everybody, I really need you opinion.
can you survive in Lucerne with 2.000 Francs a month?
I know I can find a room for 840.
Just wondering whether it's wise to take this opportunity!
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Old 16.11.2007, 13:14
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With that amount of information we can't help. Is 2000 before or after tax, what other expenses do you have, is that a salary etc etc...,.
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Lou, it's a trainee position for a big company. 2.300 before taxes, 2.000 after taxes. I've already found a nice room for 840 francs, all included. I can walk to work, so no need to buy bus tkts or such.
I'm kind of scared but hey, I lived in London and it can't be more expensive!
what do you think?
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If you want to live a very basic lifestyle with little socialising, no eating out, no holidays etc you could probably scrape by. BUT I think that is rip-off amount of money even for a tainee position. How long is it fpr & what do you get at the end of it?
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it's for 6 months. I don't know what will happen at the end of it. I was told that 30% of the people who do it get hired.
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I guess you could do it for 6 months if you think the position is worth it. Does anyone who lives there have an opinion?
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Re: help: Trainee salary Lucerne

I think you will be pretty tight on that amount of money. But the other thing to take into account is whether there will be other trainees around in the same situation. I have found that when I am in situations where I don't have much money, it helps if there are others around in the same situation because you find ways of having fun that don't break the bank. It gets difficult if you are surrounded by people who have money to splash around. But if you have decent colleagues they will hopefully understand your situation and help you out with a couple of drinks anyway.

Also, if it is only for 6 months and there is something worth working towards at the end, it makes it easier. You can get by for 6 months without buying new clothes, iPod, toothbrush if you know that at the end of the 6 months there will be an opportunity to "catch up" on your consumerist needs.
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Re: help: Trainee salary Lucerne

so basically you're saying that I will definitely not have tons of money but I will be able to feed myself, is that right?
I lived in many foreign cities, it CAN'T BE more expensive than New York or London... am I right?
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Lou, it's a trainee position for a big company. 2.300 before taxes, 2.000 after taxes. I've already found a nice room for 840 francs, all included. I can walk to work, so no need to buy bus tkts or such.
I'm kind of scared but hey, I lived in London and it can't be more expensive!
what do you think?
thank you so much for your help.
Carla
Hello Carla,

I am a trainee too (in zurich though) and they take 800 francs out of my salary as taxes...so find out if it is really only 300 they take from your salary cause it might be more...
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Re: help: Trainee salary Lucerne

The official poverty line in 2004 was 2,490 francs per month for a single person household. Take inflation and ball park it at 2,600 as 'poverty line'.
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You can certainly live off 2000.-- but you won't be able to take big leaps (does this expression work in english) financially.

But since it's only for 6 months I'd suggest you try it
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Re: help: Trainee salary Lucerne

You're kidding me?

2000 a month is next too impossible i'd say. It would mean you're confined to your apartment every evening (well in so much as you won't be going out for dinner, won't be buying any drinks in a pub etc.
I can't see how even if you were ok with that how you could even survive just with staying in all the time....

your 2000 after rent will roughly be 1160 which is rougly 40chf per day for a 30 day month.

Ok i could imagine it being possible for a month or maybe even two but i think after this amount of time you would be going stir crazy there!!

Would there be any chance for you to take up part time work in a pub or the like at weekends or one evening a week maybe?? Then things could look a lot nicer for you.
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Re: help: Trainee salary Lucerne

I'm not kidding you.

2000 is more than the average trainee gets here, and even though most of them still live with their parents, many don't...and they survive. I know plenty of people who do/did this and they certainly are nowhere near crazy (and most of them aren't unhappy either). As long as it's a temporary thing 2000/month isn't that bad.

Just because you might be used to a more luxurious lifestyle doesn't mean that its impossible to live another way. There's lots of ways to go out without having to spend a lot of money.

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Re: help: Trainee salary Lucerne

Yeah, really not kidding.

The six months before I came to Switzerland I was living in Austria on equivalent to Fr800 a month after rent for just over four months, then the rest of the time no income and paying equvalent to Fr650 a month rent. By the end of this I was completely destitute and travelling for interviews for a "real" job and setting myself up in Zürich anihalated all my savings. But because I went into the situation knowing that I would be destitute, I was surrounded by people in the same situation, and knew that after six months I would have money again, it really didn't hurt and there was always money for beer even if it was cans of real nasty stuff.
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I'm not kidding you.

2000 is more than the average trainee gets here, and even though most of them still live with their parents, many don't...and they survive. I know plenty of people who do/did this and they certainly are nowhere near crazy (and most of them aren't unhappy either). As long as it's a temporary thing 2000/month isn't that bad.

Just because you are apparently used to a luxury lifestyle doesn't mean that its impossible to live another way. There's lots of ways to go out without having to spend a lot of money.
I should of bet something that someone would respond with a comment like "you're used to living in luxury" or "high salary" but its not the case.
I just feel that unless there is a huge difference i'm not aware of between Lucerne and Zurich then i think with only 2000 you would find it a very tough six months.
I started out on a tiny horrible salary in Dublin a few years ago and Dublin is an expensive city. I got by as my friends were there and i'd worked there on internships before (also on tiny salaries). For someone coming to a strange place and perhaps not speaking the language and trying to set themselves up I think will be very difficult to do. (OP i'm sorry you may very well speak German, i'm speaking generally here).
I think the first month of someones new relocation is really important for setting yourself up and meeting new people. That does involve going out a lot and more expense. Its a long term benefit though.
I mean will this apartment be furnished? thats another thing to take into account. Will the 840chf cover nebenskosten aswell? Will the OP survive with no tv, internet etc etc etc. pretty soon that 2000chf disappears with very little left for any enjoyment.
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can you survive in Lucerne with 2.000 Francs a month?
I know I can find a room for 840.
Social services pay 960 for basic needs, plus rent, plus health insurance.
You will be precisely above the limit to ask for social service.

If you have a financial reserve for emergency cases, do not go to the dentist, do not have to buy a lot of winter clothes etc. you will survive.
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Social services pay 960 for basic needs, plus rent, plus health insurance.
You will be precisely above the limit to ask for social service.

If you have a financial reserve for emergency cases, do not go to the dentist, do not have to buy a lot of winter clothes etc. you will survive.
Yes but they won't pay that to someone who is new to the country and claiming straight away.
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I should of bet something that someone would respond with a comment like "you're used to living in luxury" or "high salary" but its not the case.
sorry, I wasn't trying to come off as "you rich guys don't know anything"-y, what I meant is that it seems hard if you haven't lived like that recently, but if you actually try it you'll see that it's quite possible. I treasure the stuff I can afford nowadays, but I still realize that I could live without most of it if I had to.

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I just feel that unless there is a huge difference i'm not aware of between Lucerne and Zurich then i think with only 2000 you would find it a very tough six months.
not a huge difference, but Lucerne certainly isn't quite as expensive as Zürich. And let's face it, 6 months is a very short period.

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I started out on a tiny horrible salary in Dublin a few years ago and Dublin is an expensive city. I got by as my friends were there and i'd worked there on internships before (also on tiny salaries). For someone coming to a strange place and perhaps not speaking the language and trying to set themselves up I think will be very difficult to do. (OP i'm sorry you may very well speak German, i'm speaking generally here).
I think the first month of someones new relocation is really important for setting yourself up and meeting new people. That does involve going out a lot and more expense. Its a long term benefit though.
you have to take into account that we aren't really a pub-going people like maybe the brits. Sure we go there every now and then, but Pubs/Bars/etc aren't the places you usually go to get to know new people. I might be playing an old stereotype, but joining a "Verein" really is a good way to meet new people here.

as for the apartment: you might also want to look for a flat share, maybe, which is also a good way to save money (though I admit, sharing a flat isn't everybody's thing).
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Yes but they won't pay that to someone who is new to the country and claiming straight away.
Right, you can't do that. My only intention was to give an idea about how much (or little) this amount is.

Any foreigner coming to Switzerland and claiming financial support will be thrown out immediately.
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Ok,

Carla.

Heres the thing, I moved to Basel, from Belfast, 2months ago for a year long traineeship. I earn approximately 2100CHF after taxes. I have an extremely full social life after work and at the weekends it is completely hectic. I am perfectly able to afford going out for dinner at least twice a week. And no, I am not being supported by parents/boyfriend (in fact my boyfriend is Swiss, a student, and poorer than me!). As I tell people, it is cheaper for me to live here than it is for me to live at home. Believe it or not, my rent is cheaper, for a much bigger apartment and is inclusive of all utilities.

If you want to, it is perfectly do-able, without a doubt. And yes, I have only just left university, no I do not have any savings by which I am subsidising things and no, I am not careful with money.

And you know what? I'm having a ball.

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