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19.11.2007, 14:25
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I've been with the same employer for two years, starting with a 6 month contract, followed by another 6 month contract, then a 12 month contract. Now I have signed an unlimited contract.
Is my notice period currently 1 month as I'd like it to be (having just signed on to my first unlimited contract) or does the entire 2 years of service count (even on short-term contacts) in which case I guess I have a two month notice period?
Any assistance appreciated, thanks.
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19.11.2007, 14:59
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| | Re: Notice period going from fixed to permanent contract
That should actually be written in your contract?
Edit: These are the standard periods if none was specified:
- 1 month during the first year of the contract (you are in this category)
- 2 months during year 2-9
- 3 months afterwards
Always counting from the end of a month. ( Source)
But really I think you'll find it explicitely written in your contract, please check again.
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19.11.2007, 15:11
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| | Re: Notice period going from fixed to permanent contract
My contract refers directly to Swiss law, which uses the term "period of service," so I am assuming that it will be the longer period unfortunately. A friend has said that they think this is not the case because I have now signed my first unlimited contract and was hoping that they might be right, but suspect not.
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19.11.2007, 15:50
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| | Re: Notice period going from fixed to permanent contract
From a legal viewpoint, your employer-employee relationship ended three times. I too think only your newest contract matters and that therefor you have a one month notice period.
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19.11.2007, 15:55
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I like your thinking, thankyou.
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19.11.2007, 21:44
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| | Re: Notice period going from fixed to permanent contract | Quote: | |  | | | That should actually be written in your contract?
Edit: These are the standard periods if none was specified:
- 1 month during the first year of the contract (you are in this category)
- 2 months during year 2-9
- 3 months afterwards
Always counting from the end of a month. (Source)
But really I think you'll find it explicitely written in your contract, please check again.  | | | | | Thanks again. My contract refers to our staff regulations for the termination period, which restates the standard periods as you have above, but using the term "service" as follows:
- one month for employees up to one year of service;
- two months for over one to nine years of service; and
- three months for ten or more years of service.
The issue I was most worried about is the use of the term "service" rather than "contract."
My concern was that through the four contracts I have signed back-to-back, there has been over two years of continuous service. But I understand your additional point that each time a contract has ended the employment relationship has ended (and this is the key issue).
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19.11.2007, 22:11
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I'm sorry Tedwah but further research showed that a change of contracts does not end the employer-employee relationship and you indeed have a two month notice period by standard ( Link in German). Sorry to have raised wrong hope. | 
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| | Re: Notice period going from fixed to permanent contract
Great research, despite the bad news for myself and Wilma.
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20.11.2007, 10:53
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| | Re: Notice period going from fixed to permanent contract | Quote: | |  | | | I'm sorry Tedwah but further research showed that a change of contracts does not end the employer-employee relationship and you indeed have a two month notice period by standard (Link in German). Sorry to have raised wrong hope.  | | | | | Note that in the mentioned link the contract does not expire but rather it is amended. Whereas when switching from a time-limited contract to permanent contract, the original agreement does legally expire and it is replaced with a new one.
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21.11.2007, 14:32
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| | Re: Notice period going from fixed to permanent contract | Quote: | |  | | | Note that in the mentioned link the contract does not expire but rather it is amended. Whereas when switching from a time-limited contract to permanent contract, the original agreement does legally expire and it is replaced with a new one. | | | | | And that means accrued benefits such as notice period or time in service if they give a present after 10 years etc are reset from the date of the "new" contract.
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21.11.2007, 16:03
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When we called the SECO Office in Bern (federal government department) they said that it didn't matter if I had short-term contracts, the service period would all be counted and I have to give two months notice.
Does anyone have recommendations for where I can get further professional advice?
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21.11.2007, 19:51
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Interesting contributions, these legal topics are often complex beneath the surface...  Well if the SECO says so I think this is an important hint. I don't know what kind of lawyer or information center can help you further.
Maybe I'd ask the employer directly if I was in your shoes. Because the notice period is the same for employer and employee by law, you could give the question a diplomatic spin and ask after what notice period they can fire you.
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21.11.2007, 20:30
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| | Re: Notice period going from fixed to permanent contract | Quote: | |  | | | When we called the SECO Office in Bern (federal government department) they said that it didn't matter if I had short-term contracts, the service period would all be counted and I have to give two months notice. | | | | | That is really interesting since contract law is not and has never been neither one of Seco's attributions, nor its fortes. | Quote: |  | | | Does anyone have recommendations for where I can get further professional advice? | | | | | A lawyer?
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04.12.2007, 17:03
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| | Re: Notice period going from fixed to permanent contract | Quote: | |  | | | When we called the SECO Office in Bern (federal government department) they said that it didn't matter if I had short-term contracts, the service period would all be counted and I have to give two months notice.
Does anyone have recommendations for where I can get further professional advice? | | | | | Well actually the best place to go if not an employment lawyer, this forum or others with competence in legal issues is AWA which I am sure is the federal government department you were seeking and of course you could ask at their well known offices the RAV...
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