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Old 31.08.2012, 11:05
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

Some tips:
  • Don't use the same CV for all applications, adapt it for each potencial employer making evident via bold or formatting the skills from the add that match what you have
  • Follow up, call, ask for feedback, that's a way to show it's important for you and you can get valuable information or details about what you are doing wrong
  • Network. Attend meetups and conferences that relate to your field. Many people goes there trying to find potential employees.
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Old 31.08.2012, 11:10
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

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Portuguese use the comma instead of a dot to separate the decimal places. It's just one of those things hard to translate...
...and so do all the Nordic countries too. And if the Portugues do it, I guess also the Spaniards and French and Italians etc.
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maybe has a German keyboard, and is use to typing it.... sometimes repetition of a certain movement makes muscle memory... and then the mind doesn't see the difference.... or the guy is not 100 percent from a complete English country where (.) are used.
it's the second option.Anyway I'm glad you find only this one wrong in my english. It's the language i love the most, it's short and intelligent.
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Old 31.08.2012, 11:13
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

I think you have to rethink your strategy. There's that old saying -- If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got.

So if you've had no joy after 1.5 years, let's assume that something isn't right.

Without knowing your full details, we can't comment in detail either. But somehow you need to take a detached view and try to identify what's wrong. You might only be able to do this by recruiting some external help e.g. an agency or some sort of career coach with IT experience.

Remind yourself that employers are not there to do you a favour and to develop your career. They are interested in you only with a view to how you might benefit their business and their business goals. So ask yourself whether you are going into interviews and applications with that mindset. It's not really about you, it's about the value you offer to someone else.

If you're too general and too desperate -- I'll do anything, just give me a chance -- the employer is unlikely to be impressed. Calculate exactly what the employer's business need is. Why are they hiring? What are they trying to achieve? Then address your application and your interview to making you appear to be the exact answer they are looking for. Tell them what you can do for them, how you can advance their business, what ideas you have that might make you stand out from the crowd.

Good luck, and stay positive.
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Old 31.08.2012, 11:20
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have you looked into U.N. and associated orgs?
despite not answering this question , you may fine these links below helpful if in fact you have not approached the U.N.

http://www.unsystem.org/

on this first link you will find links to all UN based agencies, click on those that are based in Geneva and in that site you will eventually find links to open vacancies and procedures on how to apply.

many, or most of these will not be published elsewhere.


http://reliefweb.int/jobs?sl=environ...id_country-225
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despite not answering this question , you may fine these links below helpful if in fact you have not approached the U.N.

http://www.unsystem.org/

on this first link you will find links to all UN based agencies, click on those that are based in Geneva and in that site you will eventually find links to open vacancies and procedures on how to apply.

many, or most of these will not be published elsewhere.


http://reliefweb.int/jobs?sl=environ...id_country-225
yes i searched yesterday in this site http://unjobs.org/ but i didn't find some offer matching with my profile.I'm gonna look for in these ones you gave me.
Thanks to all you guys for your advices.Unfortunately i don't have a mentor.I ask always feedback to the enterprises but they say only they have chosen another person that fit better for the position.
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

it's much better, if more time consuming to research on each agencies site.

UNjobs compiles their own listing from these sites and is not always up to date ( or accurate )
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

Have you tried consulting agencies? I wouldn't recommend them as a career choice, but you can get some good experience/good companies to put on your CV while you keep looking for something else.
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

good luck with the search. well, i am guessing you already have links where you check openings, but, besides UN, you can also check out CERN; they look for informatics people regularly. there are also a few threads in the forum with job portal addresses in CH. Also, check out "www.telejob.ethz.ch" which indices jobs in CH related to the universities, but not only Ph. D. I think recently there were a few in UniGE.

and i agree with others that you might need to revise your cv. it is very possible that the HR people are just skimming through the resumes of applicants, and choose a few that pop out with the keywords that were in the job announcement. so, you might wanna accentuate those keywords in your cv. and of course, the number of applications increases the luck sometimes, a company would look urgently for an employee, and it would be your luck to be there and good enough (and you sound like you have good qualifications).

well, after 10 interviews, i guess you don't have much stress during interview meetings, but google'ing some pointers for interviews might still help.

good luck, again. i hope you find something you'll enjoy.
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it's much better, if more time consuming to research on each agencies site.

UNjobs compiles their own listing from these sites and is not always up to date ( or accurate )
I was always under the impression that jobs with the UN or related international organisations where somehow "reserved" for professionals already in the system, ie for insiders who started their career within them.

would you say this is not correct or for certain fields rather than for others?
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would you say this is not correct or for certain fields rather than for others?
it's certainly not official but yes, just like in private enterprise many position seem to ear-marked ... IT does have a high outside hire rate tho. ( from what I can tell at least.. not being in that field )
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it's certainly not official but yes, just like in private enterprise many position seem to ear-marked ... IT does have a high outside hire rate tho. ( from what I can tell at least.. not being in that field )
Seems to be quite incestuous, too, so maybe the OP can start joining networking groups and conferences (as previously mentioned) and meet other IT people who might be able to give him a leg up into a company.
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too a certain degree.
largely I think it's because once you are in an org. it's very easy to find out what positions are available in other orgs.

I was speaking to a director of a certain group this morning who told me today is his last day.. he is essentially moving across the street to another org.

finding out what is available is easy for "those on the outside" as well, but as I said above stay away from those compiler sites.

( and yes, finding out what is available is easy, GETTING that job? )
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Flexibility and perseverance

In my opinion, finding a suitable job is nothing short of a miracle. There are so many factors involved and many of those are not within our control. Nevertheless, we can prepare and make it easy for that "miracle" to happen.

Another take on the matter: one cannot fit a square peg in a round hole. Maybe you'd be better off doing your own thing, establishing your own business and providing your own services. I am not saying this is easy (it's not), but it can be a simpler solution to the problem you are raising.

Being flexible

I once encountered this interesting thought: "When life hits you with a bunch of lemons, we should not complain that they are not oranges. Instead, we should start making lemonade." In a little while, there may not be any lemons left, I might add.

Never give up!

Another key to the problem could be to keep looking, keep digging. Often people give up. Perseverance is the the single greatest asset of successful entrepreneurs. Studies have shown that education, capital and a myriad of other factors are all important, yet secondary.
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Hi guys.I'm really desperate.I live in Switzerland with permit B(EU), I'm seeking hardly but no one want to hire me. I have a master of science in IT and 3 IT certification,i speak French,Italian,English,Portuguese and 6 years IT experience in my country.I worked here only for 6 months 1,5 years ago and after nothing more.Do you have any advice for me? What is wrong?

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what Project Management skills do you have? In our group I believe we are hiring at least one PM (I work in IT for a pharma company), you may know us if you watch FC Basel.

If you have PM skills I can check and see if we are still taking resume's and then tell you where to apply. note, we are in basel

if this fits for you, PM me
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

Hi guys,I'm reflecting a lot about your advices and I'm gonna change a lot of things thanks to your suggestions.I'm Engineer Certified Java and system administrator with Master of Engineering degree in Information Technology.I'm not a senior because i worked with different technologies during my career.The companies say i have an advanced profile.I love my job but i think I'm a really bad self-seller.For this i chose the IT and not a finance career.In this moment i want to work and is not important where is in Switzerland.I'm searching also in France border.
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Hi guys.I'm really desperate.I live in Switzerland with permit B(EU), I'm seeking hardly but no one want to hire me. I have a master of science in IT and 3 IT certification,i speak French,Italian,English,Portuguese and 6 years IT experience in my country.I worked here only for 6 months 1,5 years ago and after nothing more.Do you have any advice for me? What is wrong?

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Why you don't look for work in Angola?

Language + plenty of opportunities.
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

Because my family live in Geneva and my wife has a good job in Geneva.If i was a single i would think about your suggestion.
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Hi guys,I'm reflecting a lot about your advices and I'm gonna change a lot of things thanks to your suggestions.I'm Engineer Certified Java and system administrator with Master of Engineering degree in Information Technology.I'm not a senior because i worked with different technologies during my career.The companies say i have an advanced profile.I love my job but i think I'm a really bad self-seller.For this i chose the IT and not a finance career.In this moment i want to work and is not important where is in Switzerland.I'm searching also in France border.
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Well, your qualifications and experience seem quite marketable. It may well be a problem in how you present them and yourself, as you say.
Ok, lets see what we can do about the issue with your skills to market yourself.
- what do you mean with being a bad self seller? Are you reserved? Is it about not getting to express what you mean? What is it?

- how would you define your behaviour and image? which kind of companies you're looking for? Large traditional enterprises do sometimes seek people under a very particular/traditional image and behaviour, even for technical positions unrelated to sales.
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

Easiest ways to get a job:

1. Temp. Become full time at that place or another after a while
2. Some people have said network. Let me tell you how this should work. Find a job on a company where you know someone already. The job has to exist which you are qualified and the contact has to exist at the company. Ask that contact to forward your CV to the hiring manager. The closer that contact is to the hiring manager the better. You will get in quite quickly if you are able to do this. That is the point of networking, to get to know people in different companies who are able to help you. Nine times out of ten, people will help you. It is usually no big deal for them to and often they get financially rewarded to do it. A recommendation makes life easy for the hiring manager.

Applying for jobs in the press via HR is possibly the worst way to do it. They will get hundreds of applications and yours will just be another one. They might not even understand why you are superior and you may not even get to the hiring manager. If you have to apply via the front door because you know nobody at the target firm, do everything you can to get to the hiring manager. Ring the company and ask who takes care of that department. Try and send the email direct. Show initiative and at least if you get it in front of them and they reject it, you will at least be happy that the right person got to view it.

Agencies are not much better. They often have an agenda that is not aligned with your interests. An example is if they are on a retainer and they have to submit 3 suitable candidates for the company. Well if you come knocking on the door as number 4, guess what. Yep, you wont get submitted, though the agency will tell you they were looking for somebody with a different fit. Do not trust agencies. They do not work for you, just the companies. The companies pay them, you do not. Fact of life.

So, go for the two primary routes to get a foot in the door. That is how many other people will be getting these jobs.
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