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So you can't commute from Paris to Geneve for example on a weekly basis? Isn't it equivalent to working in Zurich and Basel?
Not a great situation to be in whilst growing a marriage though.
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Well, your qualifications and experience seem quite marketable. It may well be a problem in how you present them and yourself, as you say.
Ok, lets see what we can do about the issue with your skills to market yourself.
- what do you mean with being a bad self seller? Are you reserved? Is it about not getting to express what you mean? What is it?

- how would you define your behaviour and image? which kind of companies you're looking for? Large traditional enterprises do sometimes seek people under a very particular/traditional image and behaviour, even for technical positions unrelated to sales.
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Easiest ways to get a job:...
Applying for jobs in the press via HR is possibly the worst way to do it. They will get hundreds of applications and yours will just be another one. They might not even understand why you are superior and you may not even get to the hiring manager. If you have to apply via the front door because you know nobody at the target firm, do everything you can to get to the hiring manager. Ring the company and ask who takes care of that department. Try and send the email direct. Show initiative and at least if you get it in front of them and they reject it, you will at least be happy that the right person got to view it.
Yes I'm rather reserved and i always worked hard for each success in my life.I never asked for shortcuts or favors to other people.I hate do it.I never cut the line in my life and I've always hoped that my passion,qualities and my hardworking would has been sufficient to have a job.I can study for 10 certification but ring the company and to send emails to managers without authorization it's too tough for me.I know it's wrong but I feel upset only thinking about it.
And about your question now day I'm not choosing the companies,i can't afford it, but i would have liked to work in a english environment even though my French and Italian are better.I love the english language.
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

Would you be interested in an internship? Our company is offering Internships at the moment and potential full time employment after that. I would have to check out what the rules are for employing non swiss nationals though, as far as I know it's not that simple.
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Would you be interested in an internship? Our company is offering Internships at the moment and potential full time employment after that. I would have to check out what the rules are for employing non swiss nationals though, as far as I know it's not that simple.
yes i'm interested.For me it's OK but usually with my qualifications companies refuse internships.But yes i agree we can try.Thanks
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I'm Engineer Certified Java and system administrator with Master of Engineering degree in Information Technology.
Not sure if you are more on the SysAdmin or the Programming side. I've learned that some companies value that you are able to provided some sort of samples of your work:
  • Commits in open source projects
  • Blog posts with interesting technical solutions
  • Portfolio of web sites you designed
  • Products you've worked on that are available for the public

In addition, by now you should know that beer_joe3246@hotmail.com is probably a bad email address choice for your CV.
  • Do you have at least a decent gmail address?
  • Do you have your personalized email domain?
  • Do you have a personal web site?

Have you googled your name? Do you like what you see? Will a potential employer like it?
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Not sure if you are more on the SysAdmin or the Programming side. I've learned that some companies value that you are able to provided some sort of samples of your work:
  • Commits in open source projects
  • Blog posts with interesting technical solutions
  • Portfolio of web sites you designed
  • Products you've worked on that are available for the public

In addition, by now you should know that beer_joe3246@hotmail.com is probably a bad email address choice for your CV.
  • Do you have at least a decent gmail address?
  • Do you have your personalized email domain?
  • Do you have a personal web site?

Have you googled your name? Do you like what you see? Will a potential employer like it?
yes i have a gmail address.I worked with both but nowday i'm searching more a job like systems administrator or help desk.I obtained 2 admin system certification in 2012.
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Old 01.09.2012, 22:02
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yes i have a gmail address.I worked with both but nowday i'm searching more a job like systems administrator or help desk.I obtained 2 admin system certification in 2012.
Geneve, I ve met quite a few brilliant hard workers that wish no attention or special favours in IT, just as you seem to be. None of them found a job through agency, these head hunters just didn't get to appreciate the value of their CVs due to lack of tech knowledge, let alone the guys that simply classify my friends as nerdy and trashed the CV

I agree that sending blind CV cold door style to company managers is useless (and if you abuse it gets risky: some will tag you as annoying spam generator)

I suggest that you focus in some few companies that offer the type of job you like and focus in applying through their careers website, by checking new job ads a couple of times per week. You will have to follow up on the phone or email (if available, not always) if you do not get a reply in 2-4 weeks. Hiring managers are quick as the open position is on their interest, but HR uses to be a bottleneck, and they like the 'follow up' call as it shows interest.

Once you get to be interviewed: be patient and correct with HR, do not ask for how much is the salary (wait till they open the topic). With your potential boss be self confident: answer ex
Answer questions of' do you have experience in ? ' or comments like 'we do X and Z in this department' with examples of similar tasks or functions that you did in the past, so you give impression of knowledgeable (otherwise they will miss your aptitudes even if they're written in your CV).
Dress code is irrelevant in your field as long as you present yourself as clean and 'normal' (irokesen hairstyle and the like might be challenging to sell, we must admit). If it is a traditional style company (insurances, banks, etc) you might wish to avoid jeans, though.
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Geneve, I ve met quite a few brilliant hard workers that wish no attention or special favours in IT, just as you seem to be. None of them found a job through agency, these head hunters just didn't get to appreciate the value of their CVs due to lack of tech knowledge, let alone the guys that simply classify my friends as nerdy and trashed the CV

I agree that sending blind CV cold door style to company managers is useless (and if you abuse it gets risky: some will tag you as annoying spam generator)

I suggest that you focus in some few companies that offer the type of job you like and focus in applying through their careers website, by checking new job ads a couple of times per week. You will have to follow up on the phone or email (if available, not always) if you do not get a reply in 2-4 weeks. Hiring managers are quick as the open position is on their interest, but HR uses to be a bottleneck, and they like the 'follow up' call as it shows interest.

Once you get to be interviewed: be patient and correct with HR, do not ask for how much is the salary (wait till they open the topic). With your potential boss be self confident: answer ex
Answer questions of' do you have experience in ? ' or comments like 'we do X and Z in this department' with examples of similar tasks or functions that you did in the past, so you give impression of knowledgeable (otherwise they will miss your aptitudes even if they're written in your CV).
Dress code is irrelevant in your field as long as you present yourself as clean and 'normal' (irokesen hairstyle and the like might be challenging to sell, we must admit). If it is a traditional style company (insurances, banks, etc) you might wish to avoid jeans, though.
Yes you have described me very well,my story is the same like the guys you wrote about.
I never asked for the salary but only about the kind of job and technologies,i prefer earn less money but doing a job i love to do.
About dress code, i have always worn a suit to every interview and i worked also in prestigious places so i think i have normal aspect.
Thanks for your suggestions, in fact i always applied through jobup where are 90% agencies.I realized i did all wrong before. Thank you very much Suissa
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

Wife has a good job, hey ?
Have some kids ( not you ) and become a stay home dad.
Jokes aside.
Have you thought you may be over qualified ?
If so maybe tone down your CV for particular jobs.
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Old 02.09.2012, 10:23
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Thanks for your suggestions, in fact i always applied through jobup where are 90% agencies.I realized i did all wrong before. Thank you very much Suissa
Good luck. I hope you find a good job soon. Let us know.
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

1.5 year search, indeed it is time to step back and make some analysis and maybe come back to the basic questions:
- Is your professional project well defined?
- Is your personal branding sufficiently strong and efficient?
- what is your application marketing strategy? ( a common mistake is to focus only on the open market, I am busy writing a post on my blog on that topic. If you are interested visit http://job4u2-switzerland.blogspot.ch/, it should be on line sometime this week)
- Are you going to interview with sufficient preparation?
- Have you considered getting some some professional support.

on my blog, you'll find also an article on how to keep motivation high, I hope it can help a bit. Anyway good luck for the further steps.
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

4 suissa. I hope I'm gonna find a job soon me too, and the first thing I'm gonna do, is let you guys know.
4 JeffSydney. Maybe you are right but i don't like to hide things because I'm not a good liar so i prefer put on the cv all the truth.
4 sandrinevdo.I read your blog,it was really interesting specially "Switzerland? What about my career"
And about your question:Yes i think my professional project is well defined,i always did it and it's what i love to do.
I think i have a good preparation,it's what i do all the day studying to improve my skills.
What do you mean with professional support?

Anyway your help is wonderful and thank you to all of you guys!!
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Not sure if you are more on the SysAdmin or the Programming side. I've learned that some companies value that you are able to provided some sort of samples of your work:
  • Commits in open source projects
  • Blog posts with interesting technical solutions
  • Portfolio of web sites you designed
  • Products you've worked on that are available for the public

In addition, by now you should know that beer_joe3246@hotmail.com is probably a bad email address choice for your CV.
  • Do you have at least a decent gmail address?
  • Do you have your personalized email domain?
  • Do you have a personal web site?

Have you googled your name? Do you like what you see? Will a potential employer like it?

Email addresses stand out and if i fully agree here, if i saw this on a job applicaton it wouldn't get any further than the bin. It smacks of immaturity and certainly an inclination towards beer & partying.

Now whilst i fully condone both these sports and indeed have written to the IOC to have them included, both male & female events in Brazil 2016, i don't really want to see it so blatently advertised.
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Old 03.09.2012, 09:48
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4 suissa. I hope I'm gonna find a job soon me too, and the first thing I'm gonna do, is let you guys know.
4 JeffSydney. Maybe you are right but i don't like to hide things because I'm not a good liar so i prefer put on the cv all the truth.
4 sandrinevdo.I read your blog,it was really interesting specially "Switzerland? What about my career"
And about your question:Yes i think my professional project is well defined,i always did it and it's what i love to do.
I think i have a good preparation,it's what i do all the day studying to improve my skills.
What do you mean with professional support?

Anyway your help is wonderful and thank you to all of you guys!!
There is a difference between writing all of the truth, and simply telling the truth.

You do NOT write down all your weaknesses, that is extremely negative! Everybody has some problems and learns to live with them: and when asked about them choose a minor one and try to show it as an advantage.

You must try and sell yourself, be positive about yourself, without telling any lies. DON'T mention your failures or weakneses, let them find out!

Question: do you like to get up early?
Bad answer: no I am a lazy devil, and relish lying in bed.
Good answer: no, I am not a morning person, but I often lay in bed and consider my day ahead. I find this is a good time to have some original thoughts about an old problem.

Do you see the difference? The interviewer cannot know that the truth is you just get up when the alarm clock rings. But you have given him the idea that you spend some of your free time working for the company.

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There is a difference between writing all of the truth, and simply telling the truth.

You do NOT write down all your weaknesses, that is extremely negative! Everybody has some problems and learns to live with them: and when asked about them choose a minor one and try to show it as an advantage.

You must try and sell yourself, be positive about yourself, without telling any lies. DON'T mention your failures or weakneses, let them find out!

Question: do you like to get up early?
Bad answer: no I am a lazy devil, and relish lying in bed.
Good answer: no, I am not a morning person, but I often lay in bed and consider my day ahead. I find this is a good time to have some original thoughts about an old problem.

Do you see the difference? The interviewer cannot know that the truth is you just get up when the alarm clock rings. But you have given him the idea that you spend some of your free time working for the company.

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You're right,in fact i've already changed my interview discourse, focusing on the success points and avoiding the weaknesses.I have started working to put into effect your advices.Thank you guys
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Would you be interested in an internship? Our company is offering Internships at the moment and potential full time employment after that. I would have to check out what the rules are for employing non swiss nationals though, as far as I know it's not that simple.
Nothing against you Maximuss, but I just hate it when qualified young people get offered internships as a means to employment. That is just an excuse for companies to get cheap labour...

And there is one large employer in the Baden area (name three capital letters, first two letters of the alphabet) that forbids the hiring of qualified individuals as interns for exactly that reason.
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I do feel for your situation, it has become quite difficult to find a job here, regardless of experience and expertise. I guess the competition is very tough.
I wish you all the best in finding a position!
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Geneve- I sent you a PM.
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Geneve- I sent you a PM.
Thank you very much for your advices very useful.
Have a nice day !
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i had almost 10 interviews ,i got 2 It certification in 2011 and 1 in 2012.I'm always keeping update with the IT technologies during this period.
if I may ask, how old are you?
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