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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

Have you tried working as a freelancer/contractor? Are you prepared to weekly commute? Will you work anywhere in Europe?

I left my permanent job in 2004 to go contracting. First contract - UK. Second contract - on lake Geneva. Third contract - 20 minutes from home. It took me two years to get that.

It's not so good now with the exchange rate, but still possible.
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

I always assumed IT was one of the fields with high demand. I might be wrong.

How actively are you searching? How many applications do you send per week? I must have sent about 10 applications a week for several months to get my first job. It turned out to be from a company that I had contacted a few months earlier and they ended up offering me a different job than the one I applied for.

Some tips:

-apply as broadly as possible and adapt your motivation letter to each field/position. Once you get a foot in the door you can always continue applying for better jobs, while knowing that you have a stable job already.

-use various methods, rather than just one. Job agencies, headhunters, applying directly on websites, sending CV's to HR at various companies etc..

For example, if I was you (IT background), I would make sure my CV was in the database of as many multinationals, banks, IT consultants and other consultants as possible. That's a lot of companies right there, even if we limited it to Geneva.

Send it for vacant positions, send it as a spontaneous application, but make sure you keep sending it. Always attach reference letters, a motivation letter and certificates.

In the meantime, make sure you're doing something in your free time. Since you're in IT, look at what employers are asking for and train yourself there. For example, if they ask for java, teach yourself some java and put it in your CV.

Also, if you talk to your unemployment counsellor they might be able to put you in some sort of program that ensures you're doing something so that your CV doesn't remain empty.
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I always assumed IT was one of the fields with high demand. I might be wrong.

How actively are you searching? How many applications do you send per week? I must have sent about 10 applications a week for several months to get my first job. It turned out to be from a company that I had contacted a few months earlier and they ended up offering me a different job than the one I applied for.

Some tips:

-apply as broadly as possible and adapt your motivation letter to each field/position. Once you get a foot in the door you can always continue applying for better jobs, while knowing that you have a stable job already.

-use various methods, rather than just one. Job agencies, headhunters, applying directly on websites, sending CV's to HR at various companies etc..

For example, if I was you (IT background), I would make sure my CV was in the database of as many multinationals, banks, IT consultants and other consultants as possible. That's a lot of companies right there, even if we limited it to Geneva.

Send it for vacant positions, send it as a spontaneous application, but make sure you keep sending it. Always attach reference letters, a motivation letter and certificates.

In the meantime, make sure you're doing something in your free time. Since you're in IT, look at what employers are asking for and train yourself there. For example, if they ask for java, teach yourself some java and put it in your CV.

Also, if you talk to your unemployment counsellor they might be able to put you in some sort of program that ensures you're doing something so that your CV doesn't remain empty.
I already did what you described above.The real problem is that the last 2 years there are always less jobs in French Switzerland or better there are very little bit only for replace the people that already work here,fire and hire.The 90% of companies treat you like rubbish here in Switzerland,they throw you away when they don't need you.It would be OK if it was easy to find a jobs but unfortunately it's not.So I don't want to give my passion and my energies for companies like that.I would like to know if in the UK or Ireland it's the same like hire in Switzerland.
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

Sorry, don't know much about the market in the UK. I'm assuming it's more saturated than the Swiss market, but there's nothing to lose through online applications/telephone calls.
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I already did what you described above.The real problem is that the last 2 years there are always less jobs in French Switzerland or better there are very little bit only for replace the people that already work here,fire and hire.The 90% of companies treat you like rubbish here in Switzerland,they throw you away when they don't need you.It would be OK if it was easy to find a jobs but unfortunately it's not.So I don't want to give my passion and my energies for companies like that.I would like to know if in the UK or Ireland it's the same like hire in Switzerland.
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No, UK employees are protected against unfair dismissal (but only after some time spent in a given company). If sacked unfairly (e.g. not because of their performance) they can claim compensation, which can be very high. Here there's nothing.

I know of a company I will not name yet, that since 2010 gets rid of all old Swiss employees and gets new hires, all young and cross-border workers, that is cheaper. Unfortunately little can be done against it, apart from avoid their products and let them go bust.
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Easiest ways to get a job:

1. Temp. Become full time at that place or another after a while
2. Some people have said network. Let me tell you how this should work. Find a job on a company where you know someone already. The job has to exist which you are qualified and the contact has to exist at the company. Ask that contact to forward your CV to the hiring manager. The closer that contact is to the hiring manager the better. You will get in quite quickly if you are able to do this. That is the point of networking, to get to know people in different companies who are able to help you. Nine times out of ten, people will help you. It is usually no big deal for them to and often they get financially rewarded to do it. A recommendation makes life easy for the hiring manager.

Applying for jobs in the press via HR is possibly the worst way to do it. They will get hundreds of applications and yours will just be another one. They might not even understand why you are superior and you may not even get to the hiring manager. If you have to apply via the front door because you know nobody at the target firm, do everything you can to get to the hiring manager. Ring the company and ask who takes care of that department. Try and send the email direct. Show initiative and at least if you get it in front of them and they reject it, you will at least be happy that the right person got to view it.

Agencies are not much better. They often have an agenda that is not aligned with your interests. An example is if they are on a retainer and they have to submit 3 suitable candidates for the company. Well if you come knocking on the door as number 4, guess what. Yep, you wont get submitted, though the agency will tell you they were looking for somebody with a different fit. Do not trust agencies. They do not work for you, just the companies. The companies pay them, you do not. Fact of life.


So, go for the two primary routes to get a foot in the door. That is how many other people will be getting these jobs.
Remember this post? It was about 6 weeks ago. Well I was in the same boat as and now I have a new job. I used method 2.

Just to reiterate: Find a job at a company where you know someone already. The open job has to exist for which you are qualified. Ask the contact to forward your CV to the hiring manager. The closer that contact is to the hiring manager the better. You will get in quite quickly if you are able to do this.
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No, UK employees are protected against unfair dismissal (but only after some time spent in a given company). If sacked unfairly (e.g. not because of their performance) they can claim compensation, which can be very high. Here there's nothing.

I know of a company I will not name yet, that since 2010 gets rid of all old Swiss employees and gets new hires, all young and cross-border workers, that is cheaper. Unfortunately little can be done against it, apart from avoid their products and let them go bust.
Go grow some balls, if you're any use they will keep you, if not you're out.

As for 1.5 years searchin for an IT job, forget it, you're out of the loop after this much time, either you got it or you haven't.... try being a realist.
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

what do you mean with loop.it's not the loop FOR or WHILE?
Anyway yes I'm realistic for this i want to look for a job in another country with more possibilities.
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Old 14.10.2012, 21:53
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

Well, just into my seventh month of unemployment and it sucks. last week I had a interview, and the guy basically told me that although my cred's are as good as it gets the age barrier is 50 and I am past that, normally I would have needed a steady run of the mill job to get through, it did not happen so that seems the end of the line for me.
Downhill from now on.
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

It's obvious from your many post that you aren't an english native speaker...or have some sort of problem with your written language. Is your CV in French, German, or English ? Have you had a native speaker look over it to give suggestions on how it might be improved ?

Same with using a 'professional' email address. Even a swisscom email address would probably hold more strength than a hotmail one...and you could probably use your surname or a combination of your surname and firstname as your contact info.

I'd also suggest that you stop talking about what 'isn't' there - the goal is to find a good employer (and they are definitely out there) rather than whingeing about bad ones that you've 'heard about'.

I would also suggest that you take *very* seriously the advice to match your CV to the job - I have applied for many jobs in many different fields, and I changed my CV for every single one - and used a tailor-made covering letter.

If I listed 'everything' I've done since I started working at 15, I'd look quite hyperactive and/or lacking in focus - I've done so many different things, both in my paid work, and in substantial projects as a volunteer/intern. In my current job, I draw on every single thing I've ever done before to meet my employer's expectations...but at the beginning, I just met their basic criteria, demonstrated at interview that I had just enough background to start doing the job, and of course I was the best option they had!

I found this previously when faced with the task of recruiting new staff (hiring and firing permanent staff for the first time, previously I'd 'hired and fired' volunteers and short-term staff)...

According to George Bradt there are only three criteria when selecting someone for a job:

Can you do the job ?
Will you love the job ?
Can we tolerate working with you ?

So, your CV and Interview has to show that you meet these three criteria...and nothing else...

http://www.totalpicture.com/career-p...-playbook.html

http://management.fortune.cnn.com/20...job-interview/

I think it's also important to understand and accept that most jobs go by word of mouth, not the 'advertise-interview' method. If you aren't getting out there, meeting people, making connections, asking around, letting people know you are looking for work...then you are going to be very lucky....

For me, the worst job I ever had was one that I had to interview for...my direct manager was absolutely painful to work for...when you take a job through 'word of mouth' you come with a certain level of trust that you are not wasting their time...when you come in 'fresh' and 'unseen' it's a steeper curve to getting the trust of your co-workers and building up your competence to match their expectations...

Do you actually have a strong work history ?...maybe you are too traditional in your thinking ? I have a friend who spent 2 years unemployed rather than take a job that was 'below' her level of the previous one. Personally, I think that's more damaging to a person, than just getting out there and getting a job, any job...I certainly don't have a traditional idea of 'career' but using my 'take anything on offer that appeals to you' seems to have gotten me a massive amount of experience and education in the shortest possible time, because every job is a learning experience...
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Well, just into my seventh month of unemployment and it sucks. last week I had a interview, and the guy basically told me that although my cred's are as good as it gets the age barrier is 50 and I am past that, normally I would have needed a steady run of the mill job to get through, it did not happen so that seems the end of the line for me.
Downhill from now on.
One person told you it. Forget about him already, he is the past. Why on earth did he ask you for an interview in the first place?

FYI The average time it takes to get a new job in the current environment is longer than seven months. As long as you are getting RAV and covering bills, dont get too het up about it. Just apply the rules I stated. I have talked to lots of guys over that age getting decent jobs. Chin up.
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

Hello!

I am so sorry to hear about your situation. Good news: me too or is it bad news

anyway, i started the topic "depressed and desperate of job hunting", and one of the members here in the forum gave me the information about this lady, who is specialized in finding jobs for expats.

I contacted her. And I found out that she is not an employment agency, but she helps expats finding jobs by ... i don't know, i think its some kind of course. I don't know if you have heard about it, but here is the link:
http://www.job4u2.ch/index.php

It costs 5000, but it teaches you everything you need to get a job. CV writing, networking, branding urself, all that sort of stuff. She says it has a 100% success rate, which means everybody doing this program all turned out great and have found themselves a decent job.

I cannot afford 5000 for now. I think I am gonna try a bit longer, then consider this. Come to think of it, its just about 1 month salary. So you can think of it as paying your first month salary to the person who helps you find the job.

Well its just a piece of information I would like to share, in case you might wanna consider. You can contact her for more information regarding the details of the program.

Good luck with your job hunt!
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Hello!

I am so sorry to hear about your situation. Good news: me too or is it bad news

anyway, i started the topic "depressed and desperate of job hunting", and one of the members here in the forum gave me the information about this lady, who is specialized in finding jobs for expats.

I contacted her. And I found out that she is not an employment agency, but she helps expats finding jobs by ... i don't know, i think its some kind of course. I don't know if you have heard about it, but here is the link:
http://www.job4u2.ch/index.php

It costs 5000, but it teaches you everything you need to get a job. CV writing, networking, branding urself, all that sort of stuff. She says it has a 100% success rate, which means everybody doing this program all turned out great and have found themselves a decent job.

I cannot afford 5000 for now. I think I am gonna try a bit longer, then consider this. Come to think of it, its just about 1 month salary. So you can think of it as paying your first month salary to the person who helps you find the job.

Well its just a piece of information I would like to share, in case you might wanna consider. You can contact her for more information regarding the details of the program.

Good luck with your job hunt!
If you have to pay for working in Switzerland it's better to look for in another country,because this show that the job market it's really tragic here.
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