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after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

Hi guys.I'm really desperate.I live in Switzerland with permit B(EU), I'm seeking hardly but no one want to hire me. I have a master of science in IT and 3 IT certification,i speak French,Italian,English,Portuguese and 6 years IT experience in my country.I worked here only for 6 months 1,5 years ago and after nothing more.Do you have any advice for me? What is wrong?

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Hi guys.I'm really desperate.I live in Switzerland with permit B(EU), I'm seeking hardly but no one want to hire me. I have a master of science in IT and 3 IT certification,i speak French,Italian,English,Portuguese and 6 years IT experience in my country.I worked here only for 6 months 1,5 years ago and after nothing more.Do you have any advice for me? What is wrong?

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Hi, first and foremost, good luck with your job search!

I am not in your field, so the "rules" might be different, but based on personal experience, I have observed the following. There are two main components to each job search: field and location. In the majority of cases, you increase dramatically your success rate by being totally focused on one, and totally flexible on the other.

I might have posted this somewhere else here on the forum once upon a time - once a career advisor made this example to me: if you are a chef and you want to live in Paris, what is more crucial to you? If you absolutely want to be a chef and nothing else, then be a chef, but be willing/open to apply to chef positions in Paris, in other French cities, in other EU countries, and so forth. If you absolutely want to live in Paris and nowhere else, then at some point you have to be open to apply not only for chef positions, but for bartender, for waiter, etc. (and are responsible to ensure you have the qualifications for the alternatives). It worked for me - I chose specific field, flexible location at the time.

Good luck once again!
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

Are you fitting the market?
Have you got any certification in the latest years, or increased your competencies?
Have you studied German while at home?

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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

Even in Romandie, German helps your chances of employment assuming English and French are assumed.
How many interviews have you had?
What flexibility have you shown?
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Hi, first and foremost, good luck with your job search!

I am not in your field, so the "rules" might be different, but based on personal experience, I have observed the following. There are two main components to each job search: field and location. In the majority of cases, you increase dramatically your success rate by being totally focused on one, and totally flexible on the other.

I might have posted this somewhere else here on the forum once upon a time - once a career advisor made this example to me: if you are a chef and you want to live in Paris, what is more crucial to you? If you absolutely want to be a chef and nothing else, then be a chef, but be willing/open to apply to chef positions in Paris, in other French cities, in other EU countries, and so forth. If you absolutely want to live in Paris and nowhere else, then at some point you have to be open to apply not only for chef positions, but for bartender, for waiter, etc. (and are responsible to ensure you have the qualifications for the alternatives). It worked for me - I chose specific field, flexible location at the time.

Good luck once again!
Personally I have done this, in 2005 I moved to Germany to continue in my field. 6 months later I found a job in Zurich which was easier to find following my Germany experience.
3 years in Bern beforehand didn't help at all.
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Hi, first and foremost, good luck with your job search!

I am not in your field, so the "rules" might be different, but based on personal experience, I have observed the following. There are two main components to each job search: field and location. In the majority of cases, you increase dramatically your success rate by being totally focused on one, and totally flexible on the other.

I might have posted this somewhere else here on the forum once upon a time - once a career advisor made this example to me: if you are a chef and you want to live in Paris, what is more crucial to you? If you absolutely want to be a chef and nothing else, then be a chef, but be willing/open to apply to chef positions in Paris, in other French cities, in other EU countries, and so forth. If you absolutely want to live in Paris and nowhere else, then at some point you have to be open to apply not only for chef positions, but for bartender, for waiter, etc. (and are responsible to ensure you have the qualifications for the alternatives). It worked for me - I chose specific field, flexible location at the time.

Good luck once again!
thank you for your answer and your welcome.I love this forum.
And about our discussion, I'm open to work everywhere in Switzerland but no further because my wife work in Geneva.I wrote because I don't understand if the problem is mine or because the IT field it's not good enough now.
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Old 30.08.2012, 18:16
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thank you for your answer and your welcome.I love this forum.
And about our discussion, I'm open to work everywhere in Switzerland but no further because my wife work in Geneva.I wrote because I don't understand if the problem is mine or because the IT field it's not good enough now.
So you can't commute from Paris to Geneve for example on a weekly basis? Isn't it equivalent to working in Zurich and Basel?
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Even in Romandie, German helps your chances of employment assuming English and French are assumed.
How many interviews have you had?
What flexibility have you shown?
i had almost 10 interviews ,i got 2 It certification in 2011 and 1 in 2012.I'm always keeping update with the IT technologies during this period.
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Old 30.08.2012, 18:24
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

have you looked into U.N. and associated orgs?
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i had almost 10 interviews ,i got 2 It certification in 2011 and 1 in 2012.I'm always keeping update with the IT technologies during this period.
I don't know how many "almost 10" really is. If you've had that many interviews without landing an offer, odds are the problem is that either your skills and qualifications are not matching up to what they want, or you are not marketing yourself effectively. To be clear, I am not saying the problem is you personally.

In today's market, just having the skills on paper is not enough. Six years of experience in another country appears to mean very little here, unless that country is part of the EU. The employer wants to know what you will do for them, and why you're a better choice than someone else.

Good luck in your search!
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

Overly Off-topic, but why do you write 1.5 as 1,5 when writing in English?
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I don't know how many "almost 10" really is. If you've had that many interviews without landing an offer, odds are the problem is that either your skills and qualifications are not matching up to what they want, or you are not marketing yourself effectively. To be clear, I am not saying the problem is you personally.

In today's market, just having the skills on paper is not enough. Six years of experience in another country appears to mean very little here, unless that country is part of the EU. The employer wants to know what you will do for them, and why you're a better choice than someone else.

Good luck in your search!
yes my country is in the UE and I never had such difficulty to work in my life, like this last period here in Geneva.
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Even in Romandie, German helps your chances of employment assuming English and French are assumed.
How many interviews have you had?
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can you tell me please what German is usuful for work,german Switzerland or german Germany?
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

Remember:

1. qualifications are worth nothing without experience. The difficulty for some is getting experience without qualifications.

2. You as well as your CV/experience are being subjected to a character, personality, client fit analysis

3. Give and take in any negotiation, and demonstrate exactly why you are an asset to them and a good investment

4. How large is the pool of unemployed in your field of work, and how desired is your skill set
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can you tell me please what German is usuful for work,german Switzerland or german Germany?
Regular German (Hoch Deutsch or Schrift Deutsch) as they teach in the language schools is the best for employment use. Don't try to learn Swiss German dialect.
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can you tell me please what German is usuful for work,german Switzerland or german Germany?
Geneve, having good high German is a selling and distinguishing point in Romandie as most locals prefer english, Italian, Spanish as a second/third language.
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Overly Off-topic, but why do you write 1.5 as 1,5 when writing in English?
maybe has a German keyboard, and is use to typing it.... sometimes repetition of a certain movement makes muscle memory... and then the mind doesn't see the difference.... or the guy is not 100 percent from a complete English country where (.) are used.
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Portuguese use the comma instead of a dot to separate the decimal places. It's just one of those things hard to translate...

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Overly Off-topic, but why do you write 1.5 as 1,5 when writing in English?
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Re: after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

OP, is there anyone with whom you have had developed a relationship during the course of your education or work experience who could serve as a "mentor" to you? What I mean is someone whom you look up to and who would be completely honest with you in evaluating your CV, your experience, and your interviewing skills.

Also, ten-ish interviews during 18 months of unemployment seems like a low number. Are you sending enough CV's and applying for all positions for which you qualify (even those for which you might think you are slightly over-qualified)? Sometimes (especially after a long period of unemployment) just getting a foot into the door is more important than the salary, benefits, or the job being a "perfect fit."

Best to you as you continue your search.
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