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Small Company with malicious atmosphere burned out new employee in 5 months

Dear Readers,
I already started this discussion a couple of months back. A relative of mine joined a mid size aggressively growing company in CH (VD canton) 5 months ago. She was given 2 reportees in commercial position. In a few weeks she learned that there had been historical overwork, frustration, lack of management support. She was giving careful analysis, propositions to executives for months.....until after her 4th month, one of her reportees decided to leave due to "Historical bad atmosphere lack of Management support". Yes, you guessedi it right, she is being blamed for everything.
She will not be given support neither from HR nor from her management.
She decided to leave the company. For 3 months now she has not been well.
Question 1/2: which is better in order: 1. Turn in resignation, then if she cannot put up with the enmity go to a doctor, OR 2. go to a doctor and if the doctor says "stop working", go on sick leave and during sick leave turn in the resignation.
Qestion 2/2. : This will be obviously a serious job risk and career break on her. Can she get legal support to squeeze the company for a few months worth of extra salary as a "labor pain compensation" or the like. (Besides, her Job Description is different at least 50% from what she is being pushed into.
Thank you for your support. Best regards, KSZK
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Re: Small Company with malicious atmosphere burned out new employee in 5 months

1. Leaving the job before or after going to the doctors is irrelevant, does she need to go to a doctor or not? If yes then go see a doctor asap.

2. No.
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Re: Small Company with malicious atmosphere burned out new employee in 5 months

Giving notice whilst on sick leave wont help her as notice has to be worked, it does not start until she back at work.
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Re: Small Company with malicious atmosphere burned out new employee in 5 months

Hi,

I posted a reply on your other thread, recommending that you, or your friend, get hold of a free publication (once again, third book on this page).

Did you do so? It contains information that will help your friend answer the first of your questions.

I'm afraid I can't summarise the information for you as it covers several chapters, refers to Swiss law, and depends on your friends exact situation.

I really do recommend you take the time to order that little book, read it and perhaps contact the organisation that publishes it.

More directly, if your friend is ill, she needs to see a doctor. End of story. Her health is more important than her career, her finances, or her future prospects. She should not make decisions based on 'what is best for my career etc...' but based on 'what do the medical professionals say I need to do to preserve my health?'.

And in answer to your second question: I doubt your friend will be entitled to any additional compensation. My understanding, based on my reading and on personal experience, is that Switzerland doesn't 'work' that way. However that little book also has some information about what to do if you believe that an abusive environment at work is affecting your mental health. (As you use the turn 'burnout' I assume your friend's problems are at least in part psychological. My apologies if I am incorrect.)

All the best for your friend, and please encourage her to go and see a doctor. If she would like to see a psychiatrist, and if she is looking for an English speaking one, I can give you the name of mine...
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Qestion 2/2. : This will be obviously a serious job risk and career break on her. Can she get legal support to squeeze the company for a few months worth of extra salary as a "labor pain compensation" or the like. (Besides, her Job Description is different at least 50% from what she is being pushed into.
Get the bloody violin....

Maybe she not suited to the job, and as for "screw the employer "bit, SCREW YOU TOO
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Get the bloody violin....

Maybe she not suited to the job, and as for "screw the employer "bit, SCREW YOU TOO
Why the aggressiveness?
Do you own said company?

Anyhoo, I posted in your previous thread OP, and as someone has said notice has to be given when working and not on sick leave. But if she is unable to work the health insurace will pay for her salary (up to 80% if I am not mistaken)
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Why the aggresivness ?

I don 't think it was particularly agressive but sorry if it came across that way.

It was the attitude of the OP who wants to "get legal support to squeeze the company for a few months worth of extra salary as a "labor pain compensation" or the like."

Moved on, fine didn't work out but this constant attitude that if anything goes wrong, irrespctive if it's your fault or not, compensation is due above whatever was agreed contractually and good old moneybags company pays out on demand. It's hard work running a company these days and compensation where compensation is due is fine, but "to squeeze the comnpany"

Then we all wonder why it's so hard to find work

That was my point, fine the job didn't work out, that's why there is a probationary period, works both ways for all parties. She says herself "In a few weeks she learned that there had been historical overwork, frustration, lack of management support." So, leave, quit but to wait until the probationary period is finished and then try to claim additional monies, is downright dishonest.
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Re: Small Company with malicious atmosphere burned out new employee in 5 months

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Why the aggresivness ?

I don 't think it was particularly agressive but sorry if it came across that way.

It was the attitude of the OP who wants to "get legal support to squeeze the company for a few months worth of extra salary as a "labor pain compensation" or the like."

Moved on, fine didn't work out but this constant attitude that if anything goes wrong, irrespctive if it's your fault or not, compensation is due above whatever was agreed contractually and good old moneybags company pays out on demand. It's hard work running a company these days and compensation where compensation is due is fine, but "to squeeze the comnpany"

Then we all wonder why it's so hard to find work

That was my point, fine the job didn't work out, that's why there is a probationary period, works both ways for all parties. She says herself "In a few weeks she learned that there had been historical overwork, frustration, lack of management support." So, leave, quit but to wait until the probationary period is finished and then try to claim additional monies, is downright dishonest.

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I understand your point, but I also think that if you read the OP's original post (here : Arrogant emloyer with low resources more than 60 hrs week career and family risk ), you might see the situation from another angle. She did not want to leave the job as she has a family,etc. but the company seems to push her into it (50-60 hrs work a week)...and as I understand even here on the forum she was advised to actually try to get legal help against that company. If her health is damaged, she might be eligible...
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Re: Small Company with malicious atmosphere burned out new employee in 5 months

Frankly, if this environment is making her sick she should get out now rather than later. My health is worth more than anything else in the world. If she is not already looking for a new job that should be her priority, and nothing else.

I wish her the best of luck.
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I understand your point, but I also think that if you read the OP's original post (here : Arrogant emloyer with low resources more than 60 hrs week career and family risk ), you might see the situation from another angle. She did not want to leave the job as she has a family,etc. but the company seems to push her into it (50-60 hrs work a week)...and as I understand even here on the forum she was advised to actually try to get legal help against that company. If her health is damaged, she might be eligible...

Fine, so why not quit during the probation period if it was so unsuitable rather than wait to "squeeze the company"

That is the bit which is so galling, the job didn't suit so i will take advantage and try to screw the company.
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Re: Small Company with malicious atmosphere burned out new employee in 5 months

Everything has two sides. We only hear one side here. Presumably the person herself has said 'yes' to a challenging position in a (to her) strange working environment. If you are a manager, or have a job description setting targets then you can't fall back on a 45 hour working week according to OR. Nor can you put blame on the historical building blocks on which you are sitting.

Many people who come from abroad (no matter in which country) find that their 'reportees' resent this 'intrusion', that's where being the boss comes into play. People have to be on your side.

You need to talk. Talk to the people around you, below you, above you but not in the office but outside, anywhere. You can let them know that you are struggling and that things aren't going fast enough to meet future requirements, but show them at the same time that you are determined to achieve the goals you have accepted. Surprise them, set them challenges and request that they be met by a deadline. Provide them with data to show them how they are doing their jobs. Set up regular 'Mitarbeiter Gespräche' to ask them how they feel about things and see if any concessions made on your part are held to. Set aside 90 minutes a week directly after business hours to give English lessons, let them know that the business and the others are important to you... and so on.

Easy to say I know, but people have a need to be kept on their toes, most people don't motivate themselves and are thankful for a busy day.
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Re: Small Company with malicious atmosphere burned out new employee in 5 months

2) If the employer is in breach of contract, then there are legal remedies for compensation. Being an arse is not (usually) a breach.
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