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Switzerland 44 75.86%
Austria 3 5.17%
Italy 1 1.72%
France 10 17.24%
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Old 29.11.2007, 00:01
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A HUGE Decision

I have been a member on this forum for sometime. I usually just read alot and don't post but our family has cometo a decision and now we are wavering again which doesn't make things easy. My husband is from Ireland and has gradaute degrees in Electronics Engineering. He moved to the US 8 years ago and has dislike it from the very start. We presently live in California now. I am from America and lived here my whole life. I always knew in the back of my mind he would want to move back to Europe. His countries of interest have been Switzerland, Austria, France and Italy, in that order. He asked me which countries I would be interested in living in and I said all of them. I never visited any of these countries either so it is hard for me to say which one I would like the best. We like that Switzerland is always ranked high on the UN Rankings Report. Anyways, now he wants to move forward in finding a job in Switzerland and while I am excited I am also pretty nervous, etc. I have all of the feelings one has when moving and esp. to a country where other languages are spoken.

For the last 6-10 months all I have been doing is researching and talking with others and it seems Switzerland is the country we would like the best. (BTW, my daughter and I are both EU citizens) We do not like the quality of life here in the US and want more cultural and educational experiences for our 2 year old. Now she is learning to speak and it would be good to learn different languages. But, the worrisome feeling is now I am second gussing my/our decision. There are so many reasons why. Even if we visited the 4 countries, it still wouldn't give us an accurate feeling as where to live b/c visiting somewhere is very different from living. I just find comfort in the fact Switzerland has much to offer than the other countries.

I just needed to talk this out and wanted to see f anyone felt the way I did. I also wanted to know what companies in Switzerland are big for electronics? My husband is starting to look and work with Recruiting Mgt. companies. Anyone work in the electronics/semiconductor industry here?

Thanks for listening.

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Old 29.11.2007, 00:24
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Re: A HUGE Decision

just my 2 cents....Switzerland has lower taxes
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Old 29.11.2007, 01:09
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Any reason why Ireland is not on your list? It has the following advantages over the countries you mentioned:

1. English is an official language --> don't discount how much easier this makes things.
2. Ireland has a booming technology industry, both in software and hardware.
3. It was recently ranked as the best place to live (Ireland was 1, Switzerland was 2).

Can you speak German, French, or Italian?
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Old 29.11.2007, 01:47
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Re: A HUGE Decision

Hi Mossy,

I tried to private message you but it says you do not accept emails.
I'm a native Californian..... and I've lived in France and now in Switzerland, and can share a lot of information on that, plus I've spent time in Italy for personal and business. If you'd like some input I'd be happy to give you some off line. Please PM me if you'd like.

It would also proabably help if you told us what type of work your husband has been doing; what are his specialties? Is he in management or still being the techie? etc...
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Any reason why Ireland is not on your list?
I spent 2 years in Ireland. It's not that great. I surely wouldn't pick ireland over any of the countries mentioned above.

I cannot say much about austria and italy. But between France and Switzerland, I'd definitly choose Switzerland. It has lower taxes, a better economy, nicer people, a much more efficient administrative life, and it's much safer. France is OK if you go rural, urban france is just awfull.

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Old 29.11.2007, 07:14
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Well, my husband can speak French but he isn't fluent. I can not speak any language besides English. My husband works for Intel as a R&D Engineer. We on't want to move to Ireland for a number of reasons. It is beautiful but the celtictiger made the country, well...very different and not in a good way!
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Old 29.11.2007, 07:40
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Any reason why Ireland is not on your list? It has the following advantages over the countries you mentioned:

1. English is an official language --> don't discount how much easier this makes things.
2. Ireland has a booming technology industry, both in software and hardware.
3. It was recently ranked as the best place to live (Ireland was 1, Switzerland was 2).

Can you speak German, French, or Italian?

for anyone coming back to Ireland after 8 years away the culture shock could be quite interesting, as it has changed so dramatically.

Property prices are through the roof, the friendliness of the people has been replaced by a go-getting money chasing philosophy & the weather still stinks.

I can understand why the OP is looking for more mainland Europe, rather than the Dark Isles.

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Re: A HUGE Decision

I would say Germany then Switzerland and i have no other reason that thats what I think and i have no idea why I think that way I hope this helps

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Old 29.11.2007, 07:46
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Re: A HUGE Decision

Hello!
Being an Italian who has lived out of her country most her life, I must really warn you before you consider this an option... salaries are very low and so is quality of life... Most of the good jobs are in cities like Turin Rome and Milan which are overcrowded, pollutted and expensive.
Plus hardly anyone speaks english, and notlike in Switzerland where they sometimes do not want to... in Italy really hardly anyone speaks another lanague...

So... I would strongly advise you to think carefully about this...

Now, why is Germany not on your list? Economy is on the rise and demands for Engineers is super high, there is a real talent battle out there...

Otherwise, if the options are only what you listed, I owuld go for Switzerland without a doubt... super high quality of ifwe, different cultures, sall livable towns, english is spoken desite people being a bit reluctant ;-)

Hope this helps!

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Old 29.11.2007, 08:53
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Re: A HUGE Decision

I empathize with you. Choosing a country to move to is a terribly big decision to make as a family.

Why not let the best job offer dictate where you should go? A happy partner makes a big difference.

I heard from friends that Germans are more open and friendly than the Swiss, but my Deutsch other half feels that German society is too structured or rigid and harp on things that don't really help people to be happy. Also, taxes are higher in Germany than in Switz but many things are cheaper there. Having said that, I'm fully enjoying my time here in the Deutsch-speaking part of Switz. There have been a few challenges but nothing too major.

As long as you are open to a whole new way of life, adaptable and happy to learn a new language, you will be fine. There is no country perfectly suited to anyone, but we can still enjoy the exploration, discovery and adventure -- and grow from it.

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Old 29.11.2007, 09:23
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My advice would be to keep an open mind, and explore your options as you get them, ie when your husband is actually offered a job, then you can decide if its an attractive enough offer to move and try it out. We were on our way to New Zealand when a job came up here in Switzerland, and in spite of my misgivings about the cold, it was just too good to pass up, so we've gone for it and we love it!

Good luck!
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Old 29.11.2007, 09:46
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Re: A HUGE Decision

you live in NorCal - what is there not to like?

And ditto Germany on the list - AMD......of course your old fella will've signed a contract with an anti-competitive clause in it, no doubt
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Re: A HUGE Decision

Bear in mind that the French speaking part of Switzerland has few engineering jobs and, if I read things correctly, neither of you speak German. Anyway, ignoring all that, and considering you're looking in engineering, I'd aim for German speaking part of Switzerland, Germany and Austria.

Also, and I'm sure you know, one of the biggest Intel plants is in Ireland so you husband could probably get a transfer there quite easily.

Taxes are high in France, but the cost of living is low and you get enormous amounts of holiday. 20+ days plus 11 public holidays plus another 15 or so RTTs (overtime from the 35 hour working week). Life in France can be really sweet if you have a good job and like the country.
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Any reason why Ireland is not on your list? It has the following advantages over the countries you mentioned:

1. English is an official language --> don't discount how much easier this makes things.
2. Ireland has a booming technology industry, both in software and hardware.
3. It was recently ranked as the best place to live (Ireland was 1, Switzerland was 2).

Can you speak German, French, or Italian?
Do you have a link to that report? I love to see it. Thank you.
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Old 29.11.2007, 13:35
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Here you go:

http://www.austriamicrosystems.com

Right outside Graz (Austria) - what a beautiful city.
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Old 29.11.2007, 13:39
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Now, why is Germany not on your list? Economy is on the rise and demands for Engineers is super high, there is a real talent battle out there...

on the other hand Switzerland is Numero Uno for the Germans to move to. They don't like the high taxes and conditions in their own country so they come here... Personally, you could not make me work in Germany for twice the salary I make here.
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Now, why is Germany not on your list? Economy is on the rise and demands for Engineers is super high, there is a real talent battle out there...
It is always said that demand for engineers is high in Germany, but the translation into actual job vacancies is strangely not done. For a while I was looking around for (chemical) engineering jobs in Germany and found virtually nothing available - that's why I'm now in Basel. But for other engineering fields, Germany might be better.
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Old 29.11.2007, 14:08
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I work as an electronic engineer here in Switzerland.

I tell you, the job is soft, the pay is good, the play is fair.

But Switzerland is not the mecca for electronic engineering.

If he really wants to make career, go to a place where technology is booming or where there are big conglomerates of companies in technology fields.

Sillicon Valley, China, Japan, France ( Sofia Antipolis )...
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I work as an electronic engineer here in Switzerland.

I tell you, the job is soft, the pay is good, the play is fair.

But Switzerland is not the mecca for electronic engineering.

If he really wants to make career, go to a place where technology is booming or where there are big conglomerates of companies in technology fields.

Sillicon Valley, China, Japan, France ( Sofia Antipolis )...
Yeah - I would agree on Sophia Antipolis - kinda to France what Austin is to Texas... a young liberal fun community of other techies and the weather is great... I even considered it once.
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Old 29.11.2007, 14:23
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Yeah - I would agree on Sophia Antipolis - kinda to France what Austin is to Texas... a young liberal fun community of other techies and the weather is great... I even considered it once.
I went to visit once... Is a technological town, very close to Nice and the beach... a great idea of the french government.
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