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How is this relevant for the calculation? I found that the discounts for students are very sparse/non-existent in CH, especially for everyday stuff like transportation/health.
Who said it was?

It's the monthly salary we're talking about here not what discounts one gets as a student
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Re: phd student employment

UniBasel 3950,00 CHF per month, brutto.
And I'm living fine with it. I don't expect to own a car or rent a big flat... Occasionally I do pop over the border for shopping, but not that often anymore. So basically I don't need to save money to keep living here.

But maybe it's just me. I guess some people are just content with less.

Oh, and I extended my bewilligung twice without any problems, so no worries that you're not earning enough to stay here.
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Re: phd student employment

Why should an engineer who has just a diploma, earn more than a phd student in a company where they work together??? is n't it injustice?
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Why should an engineer who has just a diploma, earn more than a phd student in a company where they work together??? is n't it injustice?
Maybe! Hard to know without more details though.

Do the engineer and the student have the same number of years experience in this field? Do they do the exact same work, or just work on the same project, or just in the same company?
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Old 19.11.2012, 14:18
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Re: phd student employment

e.kazemi, understand that at many companies one's degree might get one in the door, but after that performance and contribution to the company's profitibility is what is measured - and compensated.
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Why should an engineer who has just a diploma, earn more than a phd student in a company where they work together??? is n't it injustice?
Normally, as a Ph.D student 50% of your paid time is devoted to your research. This is not the case for the engineer.
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I heard that some percent of your salary is stored to be given back later as the retirement.
I'm seriously wondered for those who wont live in zurich forever, like me, this amount of stored money is gone.
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If you're speaking about the 2nd pillar, then you can claim it back when you leave the country.

But the basic retirement fund, no, you're contributing for the collectivity.
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(in other countries many Phd students don't even get salaries)..
Yes, this

It's a good offer, in EPFL it is 2800fr. To start questioning whether it is fair to have retirement "stored", that you can claim when you leave the country, just like any other regular, me thinks.
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I heard that some percent of your salary is stored to be given back later as the retirement.
I'm seriously wondered for those who wont live in zurich forever, like me, this amount of stored money is gone.
The money you invest in pillars 2 and 3 comes back to you. It may or may not be a good idea to invest in these, depending on your short term goals, long term outlook, your tax planning strategies, and citizenship. (US citizens should understand the tax complications.)

The money you pay into AHV is part of the Swiss social taxation system. These taxes are mandatory. You may end up as a net beneficiary or a net contributor - depending on how long you work here and your salary. To collect a full AHV pension you would need to work 44 years here - and the payments are capped, unlike the contributions. One can indeed pay far more into the system than one might get out of it. (And US citizens need to understand the WEP if also eligible for US Soc Sec.)

These days, though, many financial advisors would suggest that putting aside additional money to fund one's own retirement rather than counting solely on state pensions might be a prudent move.
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Re: phd student employment

If im honest, I dont know if some percent of my salary as a phd student is gonna stored for retirement stuff. but it happens for their employees.
by the way, they claim that the social costs will be covered by the company. Idont know exactly what they are referring to by "social costs" , does that include insurance or what?
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Normally the social costs are shared between the employer and the employee. They cover everything Meloncollie mentioned in her previous post, though I don't know their name in German (chomage, AVS, perte de gain etc in French).

Your employee must pay the accident part of your health insurance, the rest is your responsibility.
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Normally, as a Ph.D student 50% of your paid time is devoted to your research. This is not the case for the engineer.
this varies a lot, maybe during summer break you can dedicate 50-70% of your time to your own phd research, it will depend if you have other stuff to do (projects, etc). The rest of the time is a big "?" .
i do spend more time fixing everyones problems than doing my own reasearch
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Why should an engineer who has just a diploma, earn more than a phd student in a company where they work together??? is n't it injustice?
Simple. The phd students thinks about it and the engineers make it happen

I am an engineer at EPFL so have first hand experiance.
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How many off days then am i allowed to have, per year?
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this varies a lot, maybe during summer break you can dedicate 50-70% of your time to your own phd research, it will depend if you have other stuff to do (projects, etc). The rest of the time is a big "?" .
i do spend more time fixing everyones problems than doing my own reasearch
Oh absolutely. 50% is what should happen. In practice I spend much more time teaching and doing various admin stuff that working on my Ph.D!
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How many off days then am i allowed to have, per year?
I think legally, you have weekends off and 4 weeks per year. However, you will feel guilty for every second you spend not thinking about your project. Most of the PhD's spend most of their time in their labs/offices, incl. weekends and feel that conference and workshop trips are equivalent to vacations.

As someone has already mentioned, PhD is mostly about dedication and is absolutely different from the stereotypical perception of "student-life" (partying, promiscuity, fun, boredom etc.).
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I think legally, you have weekends off and 4 weeks per year.
ETH is 5 weeks. As PSI is in the ETH domain it should be the same. Maybe you should use google and the PSI website? http://www.psi.ch/pa/employment-conditions
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I just asked some of my friends at ETH, the get 5300/month but they are working as TAs and have office there (100 %), but probably i wont get anything from ETH since i have to work at psi.
Pay over the ETH domain should be the same, but PhD contracts are usually at 50% or 60% of pay (not working hours ) as you are investing the rest of the time in your education.
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