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Hi Gracie,
I could be of help since you said you do not mind housekeeping,then i could help by giving you some links.I know of a hotel currently searching for girls.So PM me.
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Re: Depressed and Desperate of Job Hunting

My wife's ex (and all his siblings) are from Vietnam and found jobs without a good knowledge (then) of the local language (Italian), so it is possible, it just will take some time!

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Hi Gracie,
I could be of help since you said you do not mind housekeeping,then i could help by giving you some links.I know of a hotel currently searching for girls.So PM me.
Hello,

Thank you so much for your info! I sent you a message but i am not used to this forum yet so i don't know if i really sent it and u get it I just want you to know that I am so so grateful!
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Do your CV/resume/application documents make it very clear that you already have the relevant permits to work here? I suggest that you make this very obvious to the recruiter before they see your nationality (in case they put you in the reject bin without looking further, thinking that they'd need to arrange a permit for you...).

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Thank you so much! From the concern and tips that everyone has given me here, I have added that to my resume and cover letter. I will keep hunting
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Hi Gracie,

I've been in Switzerland for 3 years now and also like you married to a swiss citizen. I had such a hard time getting interviews or even getting a feedback for my applications when i first arrive here from Australia, considering i have masters degree and 5 years experience in the industry. I know exactly how you feel!


I'm not sure how old you are but if you are in your late 20s and recently married, employers are abit reluctant to hire you as you can get pregnant and leave on maternity leave or in some cases, don't come back to work so they are back at one to recruit and train a new person again.


I finally got a job when my son is now 2 years old and is going to daycare. Not that i'm suggesting you should start a family but only pointing out from my experience. Then again, it takes on average 3-6 months to find a job in switzerland and even longer if you don't speak german.


But don't give up! Take it easy and take your time. I'm sure you will find something soon.


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Thank you for your reply. You know this is exactly what my mother tells me to do. Have a baby, while looking for a job since it could take years.
However, I am not so good with babied (bad news..), so i am kinda postponing it as much as i can. I am turning 24 this OCt 12, so I am not in my late 20s yet. I hope there is nothing to do with the fact that i am Vietnamese but thank you for the encouragement! i will keep looking! good luck to you and your baby :X :X lots of luck!
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My wife's ex (and all his siblings) are from Vietnam and found jobs without a good knowledge (then) of the local language (Italian), so it is possible, it just will take some time!

Tom
Well i guess thats kind of a talent every vietnamese has, somehow we always manage to get something we want! and somehow i don't find that DNA in myself (
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Re: Depressed and Desperate of Job Hunting

It is so amazing how much help, encouragement and tips you guys have given me!

I just want you all to know that I really appreciate your response! I feel so much better, although I just got 3 more NOs this weekend! Weekend! Seriously ))) They still manage to say no to me on Sunday and Saturday

From the info about the work permit, I added that to my cover and resume, well they all say they are equal employers but there is got to be something about the fact that I am Vietnamese

And its true that they are like a machine, they just search for somebody that matched with the requirements. So if sb has an experience as an assistant, then that person can only look for jobs at assistant field? what if that person wanna explore something new about themselves and try something new?

I dont wanna lie on my resume, and come to think of it, i have to idea what i am trained to do. My major is supposed to be that I can apply for any company office jobs. But i guess my major sucks then! Coz I got nothing so far. Oh boy i am gonna have a long time here in Switzerland.....
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just a couple tips,as i've been doing it for myself:
1) in almost all situations you need the language(which is pretty normal,I don't think me,as an italian,would easily find a job in Vietnam only by speaking English as an international language,that can go in high level jobs,at least not in a factory,ecc...)

2) if you apply for a low kinda job(service,washing,roomservice and so on) you don't need to say you have a master in some university,for what they'll look for is job experience,language and work permit...so straight to point,essential informations,and make a cv paying attention to what kind of job you're answering to,don't say too much,and don't say too little,understood?

3) if you think you are not qualified enough to compete with the others,it's completely uneuseful to use their same strategies....so stop with the internet and bring your CV directly to the place..(a restaurant? some shops?,supermarket?) and ask for job,I did it this way and now i'm working,otherwise I would still be sitting on my couch searching in job sites for some Employment...you say you're frustrated? then get your ass off the chair and GO! Good Luck!
You are so funny you know what, i dragged my sorry ass to the local restaurant asking for dish washer help and that sort of stuff. I think i hit rock bottom but they don't take me i don't like to lie, but its kinda hard not to tell them i studied university in Japan. Because thats where I met my Swiss husband. I can't be in Japan without some sort of visa. And i can't lie that I met him in Vietnam or I came to Japan as some kind of other visa. Well maybe I should
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Re: Depressed and Desperate of Job Hunting

There are a of of people from all over the world here, so being Vietnamese should not be a hindrance. In my firm we have just about every nationality represented.
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Re: Depressed and Desperate of Job Hunting

Ok,

I think the biggest problem is your expectations - you are only disappointed because you expect it to be easier than it is... so a small example: Last time I changed my job in Switzerland was I a native German speaker, had some five years of work experience with two top references in the country, a decent network and a very good education that was according to all media "needed" in Switzerland. It took me seven months and over 200 individually written and targeted applications.

If I understand correctly that you do not have much work experience overall: Why not do a paid internship - typically done by students, but also by young graduates: some months of work for a low salary, but a good reference and chance to get some experience as well as contacts.

Success!
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Re: Depressed and Desperate of Job Hunting

Hi Gracie,

This is Vix, I started the other topic: current job seekers in Switzerland.

Did you consider to do a masters course instead of getting a job? I think it could be a good temporary solution and you could learn German in meanwhile.

I am in a very similar situation as you, just applying for job about 1.5 months now...

Actually I live in Basel too, so maybe we could meet and share our experiences. I think you get really lonely when u stay home and do the applications all the time...

Write me a personal message if you are interested to meet (I am ur age, 26) and we can arrange something.

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Ok,

I think the biggest problem is your expectations - you are only disappointed because you expect it to be easier than it is... so a small example: Last time I changed my job in Switzerland was I a native German speaker, had some five years of work experience with two top references in the country, a decent network and a very good education that was according to all media "needed" in Switzerland. It took me seven months and over 200 individually written and targeted applications.

If I understand correctly that you do not have much work experience overall: Why not do a paid internship - typically done by students, but also by young graduates: some months of work for a low salary, but a good reference and chance to get some experience as well as contacts.

Success!
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Yeah maybe u r right! I am so used to Vietnam, I mean there I don't even have to apply. I have 2 years experience as COO assistant for a Japanese company in Vietnam. But i guess that doesn't count. And especially I am not even a competitor for a native German speaker with more years of experience and better education. I am just so anxious i guess, i can't really sit still if i don't get things done.
I applied for several internship already. Still I got NO, thats why I am upset too. I don't really care if I get low salary, i just want a job so i am not useless. I don't wanna be useless in some society u know...
But even a so much qualified guy like you took 7months then i guess i'd better start thinking how to kill myself ((
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There are a of of people from all over the world here, so being Vietnamese should not be a hindrance. In my firm we have just about every nationality represented.
Wow! i'd love to be in an international firm like you u r so lucky
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I have 2 years experience as COO assistant for a Japanese company in Vietnam. But i guess that doesn't count.
I am afraid it does not count much - and I am afraid you won't score a job anywhere near that area as you probably know best that for this one, communication was the key and you will simply always lose in the application process against people with the local language skills...

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But even a so much qualified guy like you took 7months then i guess i'd better start thinking how to kill myself ((
Trust me, I was more than once really depressed in those seven months... the most important thing is that you don't let it get to you. It is simply not your fault and there is nothing wrong with you...

Not sure how you are searching, but here is the most important simple tip I cannot repeat often enough:

Before applying to any job you find online simply give them a call and ask them if the vacancy is still open. Simple as that.

This might sound stupid, but I'd say that behind easily one third of the ads is not really a real position to be filled! Either it is already late in the process and you won't get into the shortlist anymore, or some job agency just makes some roles up to fish for CVs for their DB, companies make things up out of image reasons, HR departments make stuff up to look busy... you'd be surprised how many times your CV will go directly and maybe even unopened to the trash folder! Calling is easy, but writing applications cost a lot of energy and you waste it on stuff that is not worth it.

Bottom line: You can write hundreds of applications with a tiny chance and eventually get lucky. You could of course write twice as many within the same time to raise your chances, but that is a lot of work. Better try to improve the hitrate of your applicatons instead and then spend more effort on each application to make it really look good.
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Great advice Treverus.
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Re: Depressed and Desperate of Job Hunting

Just my two rappen here...since neither English nor German is your mother tongue, have a native speaker review your CV for even the tiniest error. You have made a lot of typos and grammar errors in this thread, which is okay because it's just a web forum. You've also used a fair amount of slang, such as "u r." Again, that is fine for a web forum.

However one teeny tiny little mistake in your cover letter or CV gives the hiring manager an easy excuse to toss your application in the bin. Make sure your application materials are impeccable so you get the interview...and then dazzle them with your personality and qualifications in person.

Good luck and keep us posted.
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Re: Depressed and Desperate of Job Hunting

I am facing the same problem. 1.5 year searching with no results. Had several interviews but when the job add was posted directly by the employer, the agencies always send an authomatic response 'no'. No work permit- no job.
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Just my two rappen here...since neither English nor German is your mother tongue, have a native speaker review your CV for even the tiniest error. You have made a lot of typos and grammar errors in this thread, which is okay because it's just a web forum. You've also used a fair amount of slang, such as "u r." Again, that is fine for a web forum.

However one teeny tiny little mistake in your cover letter or CV gives the hiring manager an easy excuse to toss your application in the bin. Make sure your application materials are impeccable so you get the interview...and then dazzle them with your personality and qualifications in person.

Good luck and keep us posted.
Oh my good LORD! I never thought this is happening to me! I always thought my English is perfect coz I've been using it since ...i don't know...i stopped wearing diapers but maybe I'm just used to speaking but not writing this is serious, i think i gotta fix this somehow but thank you for telling me the ugly truth i really appreciate it
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I am afraid it does not count much - and I am afraid you won't score a job anywhere near that area as you probably know best that for this one, communication was the key and you will simply always lose in the application process against people with the local language skills...


Trust me, I was more than once really depressed in those seven months... the most important thing is that you don't let it get to you. It is simply not your fault and there is nothing wrong with you...

Not sure how you are searching, but here is the most important simple tip I cannot repeat often enough:

Before applying to any job you find online simply give them a call and ask them if the vacancy is still open. Simple as that.

This might sound stupid, but I'd say that behind easily one third of the ads is not really a real position to be filled! Either it is already late in the process and you won't get into the shortlist anymore, or some job agency just makes some roles up to fish for CVs for their DB, companies make things up out of image reasons, HR departments make stuff up to look busy... you'd be surprised how many times your CV will go directly and maybe even unopened to the trash folder! Calling is easy, but writing applications cost a lot of energy and you waste it on stuff that is not worth it.

Bottom line: You can write hundreds of applications with a tiny chance and eventually get lucky. You could of course write twice as many within the same time to raise your chances, but that is a lot of work. Better try to improve the hitrate of your applicatons instead and then spend more effort on each application to make it really look good.

See this is exactly what i was saying earlier, I mean i could only apply for assistant job because thats the field my cv might match their requirements, but i can go nowhere near that area because assistants are more helpful if they are local. And i don't even wanna be an assistant, i wanna try something new, but i can't apply for something new because my qualifications don't match. OMG this is exhausting!
I always try to call the employer before I apply, but not all the ads have the phone numbers on them. I call not just to make sure the position is real, but also to get to talk to the one who is gonna be viewing my cv, see how he is. But i don't get to do that often, coz..like i said, not every ad has a number on it.
I asked myself countless time: What is my problem? What is wrong with me? And you just answered it Nothing )) I am just not a good fish in the pawn
I got better at hunting though, instead of sending out 10-15 applications out a day, I am sending less but with a lot more effort in each.
I am happy for you that after 7 months, u get your results. All your effort is paid off. Thank you for giving me the tips and a reality check. I will try harder and keep hunting...
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I am facing the same problem. 1.5 year searching with no results. Had several interviews but when the job add was posted directly by the employer, the agencies always send an authomatic response 'no'. No work permit- no job.
Oh so you don't have a work permit? I guess this is why its hard. We are on the same boat lets just keep hunting and hope for the best...coz thats the only choice we have yeah..?!
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