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Hi everyone,

I am Gracie, 24 years old and I just moved to Basel for like 2 months ago. And I have been doing everything I can to do that job search thing. I looked through a lot of web sites, registered myself with job agencies, all that sort of stuff. I can't count how many applications I sent out already. And all i got is...NO!
I mean, seriously, I saw this coming. Because I read somewhere in this forum before that somebody even applied for a year and did not get a single interview. This is depressing, they keep telling me i don't have work experience in Switzerland coz i only have work experience in Vietnam and Japan. But how do I get work experience if i don't even get a work??!! Although I have a bachelor degree in Business Administration, but I am willing to do anything there is. I even applied for housekeeping and stuff like that, but they don't want me either.
I don't know if anybody has been through a phase like me, or things are just better for others? I am really depressed and just wanna get drunk and forgot about all this thing, but my body literally can't take in any alcohol coz I'm allergic (( I don't even know why I am sharing these thoughts here coz i know everybody has their own problem already, but I guess I am just upset and need to say it out somewhere (
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Re: Depressed and Desperate of Job Hunting

Hello Gracie, have you ever considered changing the words you use to describe your situation to try and make it sound a little more optimistic? Sounds like you need to change the way you think before you send out more applications.

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Re: Depressed and Desperate of Job Hunting

welcome to the forum Gracie!
you did very well to write your frustration, it makes you feel better and has less side effects than alcohol.

many of us have been looking for a job for a long time, much longer than two months actually...

one experience I can confirm is that if you apply for a job for which you are overqualified like housekeeping you will not get it, because they know you will go on looking for a better opportunity and be off soon.

so I would recommend that you ask a qualified friend or even a competent CV service to look over you CV and application strategies. maybe you can improve your approach - look at the many threads in the job section, there is so much useful advice and encouragement!

these threads could be particularly useful and uplifting

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Hello Gracie, have you ever considered changing the words you use to describe your situation to try and make it sound a little more optimistic? Sounds like you need to change the way you think before you send out more applications.

Welcome to the forum and good luck.

Hello! I am a very optimistic person, I guess its the circumstance that made me so frustrated like this. But I do try to avoid applying when I am so upset like this. Thank you for your wish

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welcome to the forum Gracie!
you did very well to write your frustration, it makes you feel better and has less side effects than alcohol.

many of us have been looking for a job for a long time, much longer than two months actually...

one experience I can confirm is that if you apply for a job for which you are overqualified like housekeeping you will not get it, because they know you will go on looking for a better opportunity and be off soon.

so I would recommend that you ask a qualified friend or even a competent CV service to look over you CV and application strategies. maybe you can improve your approach - look at the many threads in the job section, there is so much useful advice and encouragement!

these threads could be particularly useful and uplifting

Where there is a will, there is a way!

Current job seekers on Englishforum

Info helpful for your Job Search - My way of giving back :)

come back to share and good luck!
Thank you very much for your post! I find the links you gave me very useful. I will look them up and follow the tips you and the other members have given out. I heard that ppl here can only get jobs if they know sb who hooks them up with sth. Its called the vitamin B. But I believe other members here have done it successfully then so can I. It just feels so much better that I could say my frustration out loud somewhere and actually get some sympathy. Once again, thank you so much

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Re: Depressed and Desperate of Job Hunting

What's your nationality? If you don't have a work permit, this might be a big reason why you're not getting the response you're looking for.

If you are in that position, you have to be offering something to a potential employer that they can't find in the local population, otherwise they will find it hard to justify employing you.

Good luck though.
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What's your nationality? If you don't have a work permit, this might be a big reason why you're not getting the response you're looking for.

If you are in that position, you have to be offering something to a potential employer that they can't find in the local population, otherwise they will find it hard to justify employing you.

Good luck though.
Hello!
I am Vietnamese. But yes I do have a legal work permit here in Switzerland. I am pretty sure that is not the problem though
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I am Vietnamese. But yes I do have a legal work permit here in Switzerland. I am pretty sure that is not the problem though
If you don't mind me asking, how did you receive your work permit if you are non-EU and no company is sponsoring you? I'm not accusing you of lying I am just curious.
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If you don't mind me asking, how did you receive your work permit if you are non-EU and no company is sponsoring you? I'm not accusing you of lying I am just curious.
hehe yeah i am married to a Swiss. We met when we were in the same university in Japan so i got this kinda alien card, not sure what its called exactly but i can work like a Swiss citizen and have to pay tax like a normal Swiss citizen
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Re: Depressed and Desperate of Job Hunting

Hey Grace!
Welcome to CH!

It all comes down to two things, when you are a legal alien , at job hunting in Switzerland.

1. Profession.
2. Type of work permit.

Swiss companies are very profession orientated. That means that for many positions, only people who really match the criteria will be suited for the job. I don't know what kind of profession Business administration is...

Swiss companies would prefer not to take their chances with L and B working permits because they know that in the long run, state officials (migrationsamt or kreisbüro) will decide if you are allowed to stay in the country or not.

On top all off it, there are many local job seekers that you are running against who speak German/French, which you don't.

These are the issues , in my mind, that you have to face with.

Lots of luck,

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Re: Depressed and Desperate of Job Hunting

Hi Gracie
Two months is not long to be job hunting in Switzerland. I and many friends have had 6 mths to a year bewteen jobs here (and thats with experience and qualifications) so really, two months is not the time where you should be this frustrated. Yo say you were prepared for this but it seems you only 'thought' you were prepared. You have to be mentally stronger! And dont take every 'no' you get personally, just assume that the job went to someone better suited.

There IS a job out there for you but your job 'now' is to find this job! So ask yourself, are you up for this job? If you are then get REALLY organised and be extremely professional in this current job - 'the job search'. Have a hard file and paper file for every vacancy, every application, write down every detail about each position, each company, every contact, why you want the job, what you can do (from the job description) and what you cannot. Write down when you applied, to whom, when and what they wrote back etc etc etc. Everything basically.

Then broaden your search and get out meeting as many people as you can, this will also make you feel better. Remember when youre searching on the internet that the internet does not give jobs, people do! So you have to get yourself in that interview chair any way you can.

And resign yourself to the fact that it could take another 6 months. In the meantime learn German, or Swiss german if you already speak German.
Head up, you can do it, and best of luck!
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Hi everyone,

I am Gracie, 24 years old and I just moved to Basel for like 2 months ago. And I have been doing everything I can to do that job search thing. I looked through a lot of web sites, registered myself with job agencies, all that sort of stuff. I can't count how many applications I sent out already. And all i got is...NO!
I mean, seriously, I saw this coming. Because I read somewhere in this forum before that somebody even applied for a year and did not get a single interview. This is depressing, they keep telling me i don't have work experience in Switzerland coz i only have work experience in Vietnam and Japan. But how do I get work experience if i don't even get a work??!! Although I have a bachelor degree in Business Administration, but I am willing to do anything there is. I even applied for housekeeping and stuff like that, but they don't want me either.
I don't know if anybody has been through a phase like me, or things are just better for others? I am really depressed and just wanna get drunk and forgot about all this thing, but my body literally can't take in any alcohol coz I'm allergic (( I don't even know why I am sharing these thoughts here coz i know everybody has their own problem already, but I guess I am just upset and need to say it out somewhere (
Fine tune your targets. Look for places where English or a foreign language is going to be of value. Search the forum. Housekeeping etc. would work for English or whatever-language-you-speak families.
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Hi Gracie
Two months is not long to be job hunting in Switzerland. I and many friends have had 6 mths to a year bewteen jobs here (and thats with experience and qualifications) so really, two months is not the time where you should be this frustrated. Yo say you were prepared for this but it seems you only 'thought' you were prepared. You have to be mentally stronger! And dont take every 'no' you get personally, just assume that the job went to someone better suited.

There IS a job out there for you but your job 'now' is to find this job! So ask yourself, are you up for this job? If you are then get REALLY organised and be extremely professional in this current job - 'the job search'. Have a hard file and paper file for every vacancy, every application, write down every detail about each position, each company, every contact, why you want the job, what you can do (from the job description) and what you cannot. Write down when you applied, to whom, when and what they wrote back etc etc etc. Everything basically.

Then broaden your search and get out meeting as many people as you can, this will also make you feel better. Remember when youre searching on the internet that the internet does not give jobs, people do! So you have to get yourself in that interview chair any way you can.

And resign yourself to the fact that it could take another 6 months. In the meantime learn German, or Swiss german if you already speak German.
Head up, you can do it, and best of luck!

Thank you very much for the inspiring and encouraging post

I did know that my job at the moment was to find a job. And I worked hard on this job more than any other jobs i had done before. Thats why, when you work so hard on something, and it failed, u r disappointed. Well now I consider it as a project, i just have to change some approach now.

In the mean time, I have been taking German class. But i don't think my German will ever be good enough to compete with all the other German speakers here. I just learn it to enjoy life better.

But once again thank you very much for the very mature and helpful reply
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Re: Depressed and Desperate of Job Hunting

Thanks everyone for the helpful tips. Its good to know that I have been looking for jobs in the low season and the hunting season is shutting down in 2 months. I guess i'd better stop depressing and get to work. I am trying something new in my job search, if it works, ill come back and let you know
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Hey Grace!
Welcome to CH!

It all comes down to two things, when you are a legal alien , at job hunting in Switzerland.

1. Profession.
2. Type of work permit.

Swiss companies are very profession orientated. That means that for many positions, only people who really match the criteria will be suited for the job. I don't know what kind of profession Business administration is...

Swiss companies would prefer not to take their chances with L and B working permits because they know that in the long run, state officials (migrationsamt or kreisbüro) will decide if you are allowed to stay in the country or not.

On top all off it, there are many local job seekers that you are running against who speak German/French, which you don't.

These are the issues , in my mind, that you have to face with.

Lots of luck,

Lutnix
Not really true regarding deciding to be allowed to stay. Unless the permit holder has broken the law or some other issue then whilst married to a Swiss will be allowed to stay whilst married. It would be very unusual for the permit holder to be at the mercy of the government as this post indicates.
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Not really true regarding deciding to be allowed to stay. Unless the permit holder has broken the law or some other issue then whilst married to a Swiss will be allowed to stay whilst married. It would be very unusual for the permit holder to be at the mercy of the government as this post indicates.
Seeing it's the company who has to go througfh the initail hastle of starting procedures for a permit, and they are well aware of what wil lpass and what won't, followed by the authorites advising on application, i think the companies do decide more than you imply.
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Re: Depressed and Desperate of Job Hunting

Do your CV/resume/application documents make it very clear that you already have the relevant permits to work here? I suggest that you make this very obvious to the recruiter before they see your nationality (in case they put you in the reject bin without looking further, thinking that they'd need to arrange a permit for you...).

Good luck with the hunt
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Hi Gracie,

I've been in Switzerland for 3 years now and also like you married to a swiss citizen. I had such a hard time getting interviews or even getting a feedback for my applications when i first arrive here from Australia, considering i have masters degree and 5 years experience in the industry. I know exactly how you feel!


I'm not sure how old you are but if you are in your late 20s and recently married, employers are abit reluctant to hire you as you can get pregnant and leave on maternity leave or in some cases, don't come back to work so they are back at one to recruit and train a new person again.


I finally got a job when my son is now 2 years old and is going to daycare. Not that i'm suggesting you should start a family but only pointing out from my experience. Then again, it takes on average 3-6 months to find a job in switzerland and even longer if you don't speak german.


But don't give up! Take it easy and take your time. I'm sure you will find something soon.


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Thanks everyone for the helpful tips. Its good to know that I have been looking for jobs in the low season and the hunting season is shutting down in 2 months. I guess i'd better stop depressing and get to work. I am trying something new in my job search, if it works, ill come back and let you know
just a couple tips,as i've been doing it for myself:
1) in almost all situations you need the language(which is pretty normal,I don't think me,as an italian,would easily find a job in Vietnam only by speaking English as an international language,that can go in high level jobs,at least not in a factory,ecc...)

2) if you apply for a low kinda job(service,washing,roomservice and so on) you don't need to say you have a master in some university,for what they'll look for is job experience,language and work permit...so straight to point,essential informations,and make a cv paying attention to what kind of job you're answering to,don't say too much,and don't say too little,understood?

3) if you think you are not qualified enough to compete with the others,it's completely uneuseful to use their same strategies....so stop with the internet and bring your CV directly to the place..(a restaurant? some shops?,supermarket?) and ask for job,I did it this way and now i'm working,otherwise I would still be sitting on my couch searching in job sites for some Employment...you say you're frustrated? then get your ass off the chair and GO! Good Luck!

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Seeing it's the company who has to go througfh the initail hastle of starting procedures for a permit, and they are well aware of what wil lpass and what won't, followed by the authorites advising on application, i think the companies do decide more than you imply.
Not true. if she is a B permit holder there is nothing the company needs to do to organise a permit. She has it already.
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http://www.admin.ch/ch/e/rs/142_20/a46.html

Art. 46 Employment of spouses and children

The spouse and children of a Swiss national or of a person with a permanent residence permit or a residence permit (Art. 42–44) may work on a salaried or self-employed basis anywhere in Switzerland.
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