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Salary for .Net Architect position in ZH

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After bazillions of threads about salary and hordes of newbies being "shot down" for not asking "the right way", I'll try my hand at it (hopefully having learn something from my predecessors).

Given:
  • someone with 10+ years experience in software development
  • most of which writing .net/c# code
  • mostly for "enterprise" apps (layers, soa etc)
  • for almost all imaginable app types that can be done in .net (desktop, web, webservices, components, controls, plugins, surface "the table one", utilities etc) and sub-frameworks (winforms, wpf, webforms, mvc, silverlight, windows phone etc)
  • using all kinds of 3rd party frameworks, be they paid (telerik, infragistics, component one etc) or free (prism, nRoute, all kinds of ioc containers from windsor to nInject, reactive extensions, dotnetnuke, autofixture, moq etc etc)
  • with a passion for clean code (design patterns, solid principles, believer in dry/yagni and tdd/ddd)
  • having worked with scrum (in various "incarnations") since it was t3h bee's knees
  • but also having worked with RUP and in FDA-regulated environments
  • knowing also html(5)/css(3)/javascript("the good parts" + frameworks like jquery, backbone, knockout, angular, amplify etc), but having very poor artistic/design skills
  • having lead teams of 2->15 people over the past years
  • and being passionate about tech (reading stuff and coding cr@p late nights)

Then:
...what would be a salary band for a position of Software Architect in Zurich?

Disclamer2: for sure, "Architect" is a super-overloaded term, feel free to chime in for what you think "your vision of an Architect" is and what it'd get paid. My personal vision is simple: do cool tech stuff together with awesome people.
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Re: Salary for .Net Architect position in ZH

112,784.-
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Re: Salary for .Net Architect position in ZH

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Question and answer both.

You should reconsider your vision of software architect. Depending on the size of the organization hiring there's every chance you wouldnt do any actual hands-on development whatsoever, which therefore makes a large percentage of your work experience redundant.
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Re: Salary for .Net Architect position in ZH

No offence to the OP, but just because somebody has n (where n is a number) years experience in something does not mean that they are any good at it. I worked with some people who had "programmed" for years but the organisation would have been better off paying them to stay well away from the work-face as they left a trail of incompetence and destruction in their wake.

I programmed for a few years (let's say 4 years coding experience), but I am the first to put up my hand and say I am not a very good programmer. Some people with 6 months experience will be better at it than I. When interviewing I rarely looked too hard at the duration somebody did something and instead went for common-sense, aptitude, attitude and intelligence.

Worked with a few people who "did cool things"; none of which actually gave people what they needed in a cost effective manner.

Most "Architects" I worked with couldn't write a line of code to save themselves and were mainly overpaid pompous self-serving bullshite artists who couldn't find their own arse with a map and compass.
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Old 18.04.2013, 22:15
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Re: Salary for .Net Architect position in ZH

up to 200k as a scumbag contractor with no direct reports.

you're not an architect, you're either a good coder or PM.
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Re: Salary for .Net Architect position in ZH

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Disclamer: I'm a clone. I hope and kindly ask the mods to not kill me as I couldn't post under my normal username for obvious reasons.

After bazillions of threads about salary and hordes of newbies being "shot down" for not asking "the right way", I'll try my hand at it (hopefully having learn something from my predecessors).

Given:
  • someone with 10+ years experience in software development
  • most of which writing .net/c# code
  • mostly for "enterprise" apps (layers, soa etc)
  • for almost all imaginable app types that can be done in .net (desktop, web, webservices, components, controls, plugins, surface "the table one", utilities etc) and sub-frameworks (winforms, wpf, webforms, mvc, silverlight, windows phone etc)
  • using all kinds of 3rd party frameworks, be they paid (telerik, infragistics, component one etc) or free (prism, nRoute, all kinds of ioc containers from windsor to nInject, reactive extensions, dotnetnuke, autofixture, moq etc etc)
  • with a passion for clean code (design patterns, solid principles, believer in dry/yagni and tdd/ddd)
  • having worked with scrum (in various "incarnations") since it was t3h bee's knees
  • but also having worked with RUP and in FDA-regulated environments
  • knowing also html(5)/css(3)/javascript("the good parts" + frameworks like jquery, backbone, knockout, angular, amplify etc), but having very poor artistic/design skills
  • having lead teams of 2->15 people over the past years
  • and being passionate about tech (reading stuff and coding cr@p late nights)

Then:
...what would be a salary band for a position of Software Architect in Zurich?

Disclamer2: for sure, "Architect" is a super-overloaded term, feel free to chime in for what you think "your vision of an Architect" is and what it'd get paid. My personal vision is simple: do cool tech stuff together with awesome people.
Contract around 1100ish day. Perm varies if finance 180 perhaps, maybe 130-150 otherwise.
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No offence to the OP, but just because somebody has n (where n is a number) years experience in something does not mean that they are any good at it. I worked with some people who had "programmed" for years but the organisation would have been better off paying them to stay well away from the work-face as they left a trail of incompetence and destruction in their wake.
You're probably right, I didn't put up the figure to boast, but rather as a piece of information which I'm sure would've been requested if missing. As to my competence, I've had nothing but glowing reviews in my career so far, from employers as well as customers so I guess I must be doing something right.

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you're not an architect, you're either a good coder or PM.
I guess the username gave it away huh? On a serious note, I would be interested to find out what your definition of an architect is. As for my request for the job position of architect, I haven't simply conjured it up: I've been to some interviews and after some rounds they all (!) offered me this position. Even got some offers (and some are pending) and now I'm trying to determine whether the offers are fair or not really.

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Contract around 1100ish day. Perm varies if finance 180 perhaps, maybe 130-150 otherwise.
Thanks. When you say X, would this mean the salary package (incl bonus, expenses & whatever else)? Or base salary?
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p.s.: thank you kindly for the answers so far. I would hit the "thanks" button if it'd appear, but I guess there must be some kind of post limit before it's there.
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Old 19.04.2013, 11:08
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Re: Salary for .Net Architect position in ZH

I have seen people with similar backgrounds working pretty much for free in "fun" start-ups all the way to contractors that made well over a thousand a day... so your questions is not really as simple as you might think. The bottom line is: How much value do you generate for your employer? The contractors did the jobs that were apparently too difficult or too boring (or not politically important enough )for the permanent employees - so they solved real needs of their customers.

If you work on some solution in a start-up that nobody has actually bought yet... well, there will be less money to make.

I know that developers love to look down on "business people"... but I never get why many of them are so unaware where their salary actually comes from. (I am one of those "overpaid pompous self-serving bullshite artists" who tries to keep a group of developers on track to make money instead of solving the requirements with the coolest but most costly approach possible...)

So it depends on the job how much you can ask: If you are a key person in a team working on a solution that is in the core business of your employer and you carry a lot of responsibility... can you ask more than if you are one of twenty replacable code monkeys working on "that thing nobody really needs but the boss loves it".
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Disclamer: I'm a clone. I hope and kindly ask the mods to not kill me as I couldn't post under my normal username for obvious reasons.

After bazillions of threads about salary and hordes of newbies being "shot down" for not asking "the right way", I'll try my hand at it (hopefully having learn something from my predecessors).


Given:
  • someone with 10+ years experience in software development
  • most of which writing .net/c# code
  • mostly for "enterprise" apps (layers, soa etc)
  • for almost all imaginable app types that can be done in .net (desktop, web, webservices, components, controls, plugins, surface "the table one", utilities etc) and sub-frameworks (winforms, wpf, webforms, mvc, silverlight, windows phone etc)
  • using all kinds of 3rd party frameworks, be they paid (telerik, infragistics, component one etc) or free (prism, nRoute, all kinds of ioc containers from windsor to nInject, reactive extensions, dotnetnuke, autofixture, moq etc etc)
  • with a passion for clean code (design patterns, solid principles, believer in dry/yagni and tdd/ddd)
  • having worked with scrum (in various "incarnations") since it was t3h bee's knees
  • but also having worked with RUP and in FDA-regulated environments
  • knowing also html(5)/css(3)/javascript("the good parts" + frameworks like jquery, backbone, knockout, angular, amplify etc), but having very poor artistic/design skills
  • having lead teams of 2->15 people over the past years
  • and being passionate about tech (reading stuff and coding cr@p late nights)
Then:
...what would be a salary band for a position of Software Architect in Zurich?

Disclamer2: for sure, "Architect" is a super-overloaded term, feel free to chime in for what you think "your vision of an Architect" is and what it'd get paid. My personal vision is simple: do cool tech stuff together with awesome people.
For a permanent position, you can expect something around 115-130K per annum.

For a contract role, you can get 600-900 per day.

Most depends upon the company which is hiring. Big IT companies in CH are not hiring and the service based IT companies which are hiring, will try to give you as less as possible.

All the best !
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Thanks. When you say X, would this mean the salary package (incl bonus, expenses & whatever else)? Or base salary?
I was talking base, with a (normally fairly small) bonus. I'm assuming you write software for large corporations and do complex solutions. If your more specialized in smaller environments (<10000 seat say) then I expect it will go down to as the other guy was saying under a 1000 a day for contract and around 110-120 perm.
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My personal vision is simple: do cool tech stuff together with awesome people.
If your vision is true, surely you would just choose the most interesting company with the most interesting project and ask for a salary that you would live comfortable with? Using the salary as the deciding factor when you've got multiple offers probably isn't the best way to go, given your idealism.
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Re: Salary for .Net Architect position in ZH

And you deduced that salary is the deciding factor how?
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And you deduced that salary is the deciding factor how?
Well, you're telling us you've been offered several of the jobs you've interviewed for already, yet here you are online trying to work out what sort of salary you can get. The deduction seems fair.
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For a permanent position, you can expect something around 115-130K per annum.

For a contract role, you can get 600-900 per day.

Most depends upon the company which is hiring. Big IT companies in CH are not hiring and the service based IT companies which are hiring, will try to give you as less as possible.

All the best !
For me this seems fair enough. I know someone with a similar profile and he will be starting next week on a contract for 800 a day.

I get the impression the salaries that you get offered are a bit lower these days but these amounts seem reasonable to me
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