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Job opportunities needed

I have been making threads before regarding the same topic but the time has come for me.

To show the seriousness of my case, i need employment so that i can save up the money for the university. I'm 19, as some of you may know. I've just finished my International Baccalaureate from Ecole internationale de Geneve.

My other aim is to gain expertise in French language but i have been suggested by my friends, teachers, that the only way for me to be able to speak fluently, is by making conversation. I'm planning on dropping a CV in the HR department of nearby stores, shops, institutes, hotels, restaurants.

I also heard that the red cross in Geneva often look for young employees.

Can i get some professional tips regarding my issue. I would really appreciate any feedback or any suggestion.
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Bumping the thread as no one was helpful enough.
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You didn't really state what your issue was - maybe being specific about what you want to acheive might help. If its just "to get a job" - that's a bit too general

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Nice attitude......I'd wait right there - I'm sure offers will come flooding in
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Re: Job opportunities needed

You could try contacting this organisation, who help young people in French-speaking Switzerland find their first job. I don't know enough about your situation to know if you meet the criteria... but if you do they may be able to help.

I have a friend who was having difficulty finding work and the parent organisation gave her a lot of help and support and I know she would recommend them.
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Re: Job opportunities needed

You are 19 unemployed with no clue what you want to do and you expect the forum members to be able to help you find a job without even indicating anything of what you may be interested in.

How on earth did you pass your IBO with such vagueness although there is no indication if you did pass just that you finished
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I do wish you the best of luck. But you've been living in Geneva for ...
6 years, and you don't speak French. Maybe the best argument against International schools I've ever come across.

Your profile says that your MT is English, but your syntax and grammar seem to indicate otherwise. Why not be honest?
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I appreciate that this guy seems a bit vague (British understatement) but honestly, having left school where we hadn't had much of a say in most decisions, how many of us also lost our bearings a bit when all the 'support situation' was removed. Going straight from school to University avoids some of the stumbling blocks especially if one has good advice about ones choice of subjects to study. Trying to earn some money and also improve ones French without a bit of assistance is another ball game.

I've no ideas though - anyone who knows this situation themselves or has youngsters who've weathered this bit successfully?
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You didn't really state what your issue was - maybe being specific about what you want to acheive might help. If its just "to get a job" - that's a bit too general



Nice attitude......I'd wait right there - I'm sure offers will come flooding in
And here i thought, i made myself clear enough. My apologies, if my reply was rude towards anyone. "i need employment so that i can save up the money for the university. I'm 19, as some of you may know. I've just finished my International Baccalaureate from Ecole internationale de Geneve". Well, of course, i want to save up as much as i can for my university years but also the fact that getting something than nothing would suffice.

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You are 19 unemployed with no clue what you want to do and you expect the forum members to be able to help you find a job without even indicating anything of what you may be interested in.

How on earth did you pass your IBO with such vagueness although there is no indication if you did pass just that you finished
When you need money, you don't care about your personal interests. Trust me. Anyways, i don't think i'll be able to get any work in the field, i want to pursue, as it requires a university level degree and job experience: Economics and Finance.

My predicted grade was 33 points (excluding the bonus points) which is far from just "passing" the IBO. However i'm still waiting for my results, which are scheduled to be published on the 6th of July, if that helps.

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6 years, and you don't speak French. Maybe the best argument against International schools I've ever come across.

Your profile says that your MT is English, but your syntax and grammar seem to indicate otherwise. Why not be honest?
Are you looking for an English teacher? Surely my MT isn't English but to clear your thoughts about me, I believe that it wasn't intentional. I have no reason to lie about such matter. Quite ironic, when you talk about MT being english and refer back to the use of register, as i most of my friends are English and their level of English is worse than others who cannot even speak fluently. My MT is Urdu only to the extent that i can make a conversation, although i'm fluent in English both verbally and orally. Also i'm not here to prove my excellence in English so grammar mistakes here and there are inevitable as this is a forum. I will however change my MT right away, if that provides you comfort.

I know that i'm not the brightest student around with some bad luck here and there. I have studied German for a year, Spanish for a year as well and French for three years. International schools aren't the best when it comes to bilingualism and the teachers who taught me, were never really serious in teaching languages in the first place.

That's why i have made my area broader by allowing any kind of job (manual, as i seem to fit the criterion). Please do specify if any other information from me, may help you aid me.

Thanks a lot for all the replies.

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Re: Job opportunities needed

If you´re looking for ANY kind of job, I´d think that´s obvious? McDonalds, any restaurant, whatever.

Just don´t expect to get a higher qualified job, loads of people on the market who do speak the local language and foreign languages.

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Bumping the thread as no one was helpful enough.
People have been helpful in the past, but I wonder if you actually read the replies to your threads before opening new ones:

College dropout looking for jobs

French/English speaker working in German part (19 years)

Also, if you're serious about learning the language you're going to have to make a big effort. Grab the free newspaper everyday and read through it. Discuss one or two articles with French-speakers. Do a lot of self-study. When I was learning German I used the Michel Thomas CD's and found them to be quite helpful. Try and find a few 'tandem' partners who will speak French with you in return for you speaking another language with them.

Depending on how proactive a person is, one can already start conversing in a language in as little as 6 months or even go 6 years without reaching a basic level. It all comes down to how much time and effort you are prepared to invest.
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My MT is Urdu only to the extent that i can make a conversation, although i'm fluent in English both verbally and orally.
Just to make you aware, your written English, as demonstrated even by that one sentence, is not really very good. Not intended as a dig, but you seem to think it's good when it's not. If you're looking to move into a career or even a short-term job that requires good written English you might like to think about improving it first.
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, although i'm fluent in English both verbally and orally.
Wait... What?
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Wait... What?
Here we go again. Another person, proud to be fluent in written and spoken English.

EDIT: However, putting aside all the hate, thanks to the users who gave me those links, as i'll look into them.

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What hate nabeel - this is really not helping. Some of us are actually trying to help. As said, to do this we need to know a bit more about you. For instance are you male or female? Perhaps someone here is looking for an Au-Pair or helper, and could actually host you and teach you French at the same time. Also knowing that Urdu is also one of your languages could be very helpful - as there may be a family or employer who is looking for someone with Urdu language, and could possibly pay for your classes in exchange for some help. Etc.

What are you interested in in life? What skills have you got? Do you have any experience with children for instance? There may well be a lot of people here who work full-time and are worrying about the long school holidays, and may well be very interested in some help during the Summer - allowing you time to find something else. There is no hate here - but you are truly not helping yourself by reacting negatively to sensible suggestions.

Working in a shop or McDo is very unlikely to teach you sufficient French in one year, unless you also have intensive classes and conversation- and hopefully full immersion. This is not to brag, but with full immersion, a lot of effort and the right context- you should become fluent in 6 months to a year, no problem, especially as you've had some exposure and teaching in the 6 years (btw my MT is French and I learnt English by full immersion and self study only, when I was your age). Bonne chance, honestly.

PS - I am fully aware that it is not easy to write perfect English - I make many mistakes still myself, as do most English people too. And I would never critisise less than perfect English (or French/any language) from non-native speakers. But I did look at your profile and saw that you stated that English is your MT (no Urdu mentioned) and it made me wonder, as clearly it is not. This is not a problem, as said - but it can make people suspicious as to why.

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Just to make you aware, your written English, as demonstrated even by that one sentence, is not really very good. Not intended as a dig, but you seem to think it's good when it's not. If you're looking to move into a career or even a short-term job that requires good written English you might like to think about improving it first.

I beg to differ. I've known people with English as mother tongue that couldn't put a sentence together. I think his English is pretty good, but what do I know, I'm only a foreigner
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Also knowing that Urdu is also one of your languages could be very helpful - as there may be a family or employer who is looking for someone with Urdu language, and could possibly pay for your classes in exchange for some help. Etc.
Quite sure that this could be useful for the Red Cross (or Red Crescent?). Even an internship with them would look pretty impressive on a CV.
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I think his English is pretty good, but what do I know, I'm only a foreigner
But the difference, my dear Miss Marple, is that your English READS like English, but unfortunately this
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I also heard that the red cross in Geneva often look for young employees. I would really appreciate any feedback or any suggestion.
sounds good (with the exception that the last word would usually be in the plural here). This variation in 'standard' makes one wonder how many problems would occur in a work situation. A beginner who uses simple language with a minimum of words is sometimes easier to understand correctly than someone with a fantastic vocabulary and colloquial phrases who suddenly uses a wrong verb form. We imagine that the latter person actually means what they say.

As I said before, I still have no idea what sort of work would be suitable as voluntary work might improve his French but not his bank balance.
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Part of the problem is that this part sounds good (with the exception that the last word would usually be in the plural here).
You mean this sentence? I would really appreciate any feedback or any suggestion.

I'm as pedantic as the next fellow but a singular "suggestion" is quite reasonable there.
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Grammatically you are, of course, correct.
I had the feeling he was looking for more than one suggestion though.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Re: Job opportunities needed

I agree that the OPs English has room for improvement but, to be fair the OP isn't (as far as I am aware) asking people on this forum to offer them a job... (if they are, then this thread is in the wrong section for starters). I'm sure that any potential employers will be able to decide for themselves if the OP's spoken and written English is of a suitable standard for the post offered. We all understand what he / she is trying to say.

So going back to the OP's question of advice for job hunting... I think Odile makes an excellent point - the more information you give us, the better we can advise you.

One other thought that crossed my mind is that you could look for jobs on free ad websites like http://www.petitesannonces.ch/ and http://www.anibis.ch/fr/default.aspx. In my own job search I have found these sites are more likely to have adverts for jobs which do not require any particular qualifications, unlike (paying) job websites where often the adverts require specific qualifications. However, one word of warning - check the original date of the advert before applying, as these websites (particularly petitesannonces) seem to renew the advert over and over again if the person posting the ad fails to remove it... I have been caught out before by finding an advert that looks promising, then I take a closer look and realise it was posted a year ago.

You could also post adverts on those sites yourself (please make sure you post them in the 'demandes d'emploi'... there's nothing more annoying than searching for advertised jobs and finding half the results are job seekers who haven't bothered to make sure they post their advert in the correct location). Sometimes there are adverts posted in English, and perhaps if you asked nicely someone on here might be able to help you put your advert into French. I'd suggest you take time to look at the different categories and think about what you could do and then post targeted adverts in different categories, for example one advert saying you're looking to work as an au pair, another looking for work as a waiter/ess, another asking about gardening work. This will probably be more likely to get a response than if you post a general advert saying 'I'm looking for work and will do anything' - even if you are willing to do anything, take time to target adverts for different areas of work and think about what characteristics and skills you have which suit you to that work.

When you're applying for jobs, or dropping off CVs, again take time to target your application to that job or area of work. I'd imagine people are more likely to employ someone who shows they have thought about the area of work and shows some interest and passion for that work (even if you're exaggerating) than if someone applies for a job saying 'I need a job and I don't care what I do.' Someone who cares is more likely to do a better job. I appreciate that you don't really know what you want to do (I'm in a similar position myself), but it seems to me the more interest you show (or manufacture) for a particular area of work, the more likely you are to get a job in that field. I could be wrong - I'm still unemployed - but I've been told the more specific you make your CV and application, the better your chances.

Also, does your school have a careers advisor? They might be able to give you some pointers either about places to look for work, or about how to write your CV and highlight the skills that you do have.

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