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Re: Software quality in Switzerland

The reality is that whatever your methodology or process the main battle is fighting boredom. Banks have the habit of taking the most conceptually exciting project and breaking it down into truly dreary components in a way no other organisations can.
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The reality is that whatever your methodology or process the main battle is fighting boredom. Banks have the habit of taking the most conceptually exciting project and breaking it down into truly dreary components in a way no other organisations can.
That's what EF is for.
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2. Waterfall is outdated, nearly no one uses it anymore
If only that were true. I was once talking to a "Senior" Project Manager (at the other bank) who had never worked on anything but waterfall and could not even understand how any project could be successful without it.

There's no cure for this kind of behaviour.
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Far more powerful for convincing the pointy haired boss, especially when he doesn't even know what it means.
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Re: Software quality in Switzerland

From the Wikipedia page.

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The origin of the term "waterfall" is often cited to be an article published in 1970 by Winston W. Royce (1929–1995),[1] although Royce did not use the term "waterfall" in this article. Ironically, Royce was actually presenting this model as an example of a flawed, non-working model.(Royce 1970)
So even the guy who invented Waterfall said that it would never work in practice?
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Some of you will think this is a good article
That's not a new and brilliant article, since it is now widely believed that people do counts for the success or failure of a project. The book "Facts and Fallacies of Software Engineering" confirms this

That's why I emphasize the Swiss Quality here in a topic discussing on Software Quality.

I once discussed with a project manager who has some experience with start-up companies. He is a knowledgeable man, MBA from IMD, BSc from EPFL. He said: "If one compares Switzerland and US, I would want to add that US management is very good, but on average an US worker is much less good than a Swiss worker". I really don't know much about both the countries, but I would like to argue about this comparison in IT. On average, I mean.

Well, Europe lags behind US in IT, and one of the many reasons, in my opinion, is that European programmers spend more of his/her time learning IT rules, while an US programmer spend more time on making his software running and delivered on time (Sorry again, I have almost no evidence, just a biased view point)

By using IT rule, I'd like to use one example in Programming: In Java while Assertion is born, it is not widely used in Production Code, due to its performance. I did not use Assertion while doing an exam when applying for a job in the Netherlands, and was criticized for that.

Just my 2 cents

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I once discussed with a project manager who has some experience with start-up companies. He is a knowledgeable man, MBA from IMD, BSc from EPFL. He said: "If one compares Switzerland and US, I would want to add that US management is very good, but on average an US worker is much less good than a Swiss worker". I really don't know much about both the countries, but I would like to argue about this comparison in IT. On average, I mean.

Well, Europe lags behind US in IT, and one of the many reasons, in my opinion, is that European programmers spend more of his/her time learning IT rules, while an US programmer spend more time on making his software running and delivered on time (Sorry again, I have almost no evidence, just a biased view point)
In my experience. The Americans will get something up and running quite quickly. It won't do a great deal but they will sell it very well. The Swiss will want to understand the universe before even looking at a computer, what they eventually produce will be close to a complete system and they will sell it very badly. It's bloody hard work sitting in the middle of these two mentalities, but somehow I manage it
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I've used it since the first Windows Commander version and ever since. The developer lives about 3km from me, but I've never seen him. Hmmm...
Wow, didn't know it's done by a Swiss guy. I'm love this software.
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Re: Software quality in Switzerland

Didn't know either that Total Commander is Swiss. It was my first file manager, and I continue to use it every day.

I think it would be interesting to know what other surprises will Switzerland give me (I know I am overexcited about this, but excuse a poor little geek)
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Re: Software quality in Switzerland

From what I can make out there appear to be two big differences between software development in Switzerland and the rest of the developed World.

Firstly, there is a lot more outsourcing here. While this is now commonplace in the rest of the developed World.

Secondly, the Swiss approach to software development differs from the Anglophone approach. The latter is far more trial and error, and so prone to serious clusterf**ks along the way, while the Swiss seem to prefer planning everything perfectly before writing a line of code. This naturally feeds well into the Swiss propensity to have meetings.

Of course, the above will often not apply to multinationals and there are cowboy operations even in Switzerland who will develop by the seat of their pants.

Overall, these are simply observations upon my part, from my limited experience, but may indirectly give you an idea of how software quality in Switzerland is viewed.
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