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Quotas and future immigration votations thoughts

Hi guys I see the Swiss are pissed more than ever about immigration.
Do you think the quotas and new changes will bring some breath to the job market? Now there are way too many ppl I guess... the new changes should advantage strongly who has already a long term permit. What do you think?
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Hi guys I see the Swiss are pissed more than ever about immigration.
Do you think the quotas and new changes will bring some breath to the job market? Now there are way too many ppl I guess... the new changes should advantage strongly who has already a long term permit. What do you think?

Yes, of course, f**k those who are outside, lets keep our privileges.
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Thatcherite 'I'm alright Jack' attitude.
If immigrants can do the jobs that the Swiss can't do (as is the status quo) why stop them?.... Us?
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Thatcherite 'I'm alright Jack' attitude.
If immigrants can do the jobs that the Swiss can't do (as is the status quo) why stop them?.... Us?

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Re: Quotas and future immigration votations thoughts

I read in the paper this week that over the past 10 years, 500'000 new jobs have been created here! This is a huge number, and explains why there is nowhere to live!

In the previous years 1993 to 2003 there were about 200'000 new jobs created.

If the figures are to be believed, and someone has not added a zero, then you can begin to understand how people can be worried: what happens if Switzerland takes a dive, due to the loss of bank secrecy, etc etc.

In the light of this news, I can understand the quotas being essential to avoid thousands of people wandering about looking for work.

The following report in der Bund (a middle / left newspaper) suggests that immigration has caused the real salaries have risen slightly (0.6%) and the Swiss citizens' unemployment to rise slightly (0.36%)

http://www.derbund.ch/schweiz/standa...ossier_id=2475

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Hi guys I see the Swiss are pissed more than ever about immigration.
Do you think the quotas and new changes will bring some breath to the job market? Now there are way too many ppl I guess... the new changes should advantage strongly who has already a long term permit. What do you think?
It all depends on how the EU see it, we should not expect to cherry pick our agreements with them and expect no comeback. We are a small nation, highly dependent on international trade, surrounded by the EU, which means they could make life very difficult for us if even one of the 27 get upset with us, let alone three or four of them.

Speaking during Ireland's recent presidency of the EU, the prime minister was very blunt on the topic when he stated that it would be foolish for third nations to expect us (EU) to rewrite agreements in their favour. Although the EU has majority decision making powers, they tend to favour consensus, so if one of the newer member states object to a new treaty or the renewal of some existing agreement you can expect it will come to a halt.
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Thatcherite 'I'm alright Jack' attitude.
If immigrants can do the jobs that the Swiss can't do (as is the status quo) why stop them?.... Us?
Hahahah, sorry but that's what I see all day in this world, selfish ppl.
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It all depends on how the EU see it,
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Really? I thought we as the electorate said we didn't want to be in the EU - so why shouldn't it be as we see it?
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Re: Quotas and future immigration votations thoughts

I am not Swiss, but if I can say my opinion, close that borders, limit entrances to a max of 20k ppl/year!!! Thanks god I live in the original cantons where to come is very difficult especially without proper german. What happens right now is that companies aren't really forced to give chances to local already integrated ppl. They can just declare they did not find anyone and employ some freak from Ireland, that needs to be proved!!
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I am not Swiss, but if I can say my opinion, close that borders, limit entrances to a max of 20k ppl/year!!! Thanks god I live in the original cantons where to come is very difficult especially without proper german. What happens right now is that companies aren't really forced to give chances to local already integrated ppl. They can just declare they did not find anyone and employ some freak from Ireland, that needs to be proved!!
Above mentioned nation positively contributes to Swiss economy by increased consumption of pints. This is further utilized to pay yours and my salary.

Well if anything else fails, future of the country lays in hands of well integrated people in recycling ... Perhaps your kids


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Thanks god I live in the original cantons where to come is very difficult
It's a shame you're so shit at your job that you think you couldn't keep it if there were other people available to do it.
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It's a shame you're so shit at your job that you think you couldn't keep it if there were other people available to do it.
I am good at my job, just looking to step up my career and I see companies hiring freaks from outer space without being really controlled from immigration authorities, this will change soon I hope.
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Re: Quotas and future immigration votations thoughts

I'm not sure where you get your ideas, OP. Yes, there is (another) immigration votation coming up in Feb. However polling over the last few months shows waning support for it. Latest figure I saw was 55% against. The Swiss know they need foreign workers, but are trying to find a balancing point of how many.
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I'm not sure where you get your ideas, OP. Yes, there is (another) immigration votation coming up in Feb. However polling over the last few months shows waning support for it. Latest figure I saw was 55% against. The Swiss know they need foreign workers, but are trying to find a balancing point of how many.
They know they need them for the economy, we know they need us and what what. That's a name of the game. It's one thing. However it is another thing to echo your concerns on an expats forum where, btw one might fail to notice, majority are foreigners

Lovely to cut branch we are sitting on or just classic example to piss on others who didn't climb a tree yet.

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I am not Swiss, but if I can say my opinion, close that borders, limit entrances to a max of 20k ppl/year!!! Thanks god I live in the original cantons where to come is very difficult especially without proper german. What happens right now is that companies aren't really forced to give chances to local already integrated ppl. They can just declare they did not find anyone and employ some freak from Ireland, that needs to be proved!!
Well I am Swiss and I will be voting. And since pretty much all of our wealth depends on our ability trade, closing the borders and ignoring the rest of the world just is not an option!

In the town where I live, the three major employers export probably about 70% of what they manufacture. If they can not export, jobs will be lost, plain and simple. Starting a trade war with the EU would be one of the dumbest thing we could do.
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I am good at my job, just looking to step up my career and I see companies hiring freaks from outer space without being really controlled from immigration authorities, this will change soon I hope.
Well I guess you and your employer have different definitions of 'good' then, if he keeps over looking you...
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Well I am Swiss and I will be voting. And since pretty much all of our wealth depends on our ability trade, closing the borders and ignoring the rest of the world just is not an option!

In the town where I live, the three major employers export probably about 70% of what they manufacture. If they can not export, jobs will be lost, plain and simple. Starting a trade war with the EU would be one of the dumbest thing we could do.
why do you link trade war to immigration?
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I see companies hiring freaks from outer space
Is Ireland in outer space these days? How'd that happen?

I should read the papers more often...
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It's a good chance to grow the Swiss economy and infrastructure. Create more jobs, create more housing, collect more taxes. What's not to like?
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