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Swisscom as an Employeer

Hi,

I applied for a job at Swisscom and after 2 interviews in 2 weeks they offered me a contract. The position is %100 permanent System Engineering(Data Center Networking) at Swisscom IT Consulting division in Zurich.

I asked them about their business and they told me they are only thinking expanding the team for the next 3 years so it seems like they are not affected by Outsourcing trend in IT by themselves.

I wonder if anyone worked/works there can give me a few hints about Swisscom which they don't/didn't like while they were/are working at Swisscom or any recommendations to ask Swisscom to add into the contract.

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Re: Swisscom as an Employeer

I think there are pros and cons to SC. Theres a lot of perks, the conditions are good and the salaries are decent too. First and most important thing is the size of the business. Its a giant wheel with many slow cogs..

Someone I know works there in a consultancy role(non IT) and loves it. Although he says the worst bit is dealing with IT. He needed an analysis that would take an afternoon in most companies and it took 6 weeks!!

One of mz colleagues left to work in an IT role with Swisscom and came back looking for their old job back after a month because they couldn't stand the pace. In most companies that size there is a department with a lot of dead weight and it seems to me in SC's case its their IT dept.

So I guess it depends on where you are at. Have you got a job already? I'm sure its a well regarded company here so a few years of working there will do your cv no harm. If they ever decide to begin outsourcing it will probably take years and the trend in SC seems to be that they keep their existing teams and outsource new roles.. If it were me, my main concern would be could I fit into a position where I can't really push much and that I must sit about waiting on others..
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Re: Swisscom as an Employeer

Hi Neilsan,

Thank you for your response.

I already have a job at a Pharma Company in Basel.
I dislike the organizational structure at my current company. There are more manager/leaders/coordinators at IT department than engineers. Many people talk but just a few people do the actual job.

They treat their internal IT engineers as they are outsourced people. My diagnosis is the company's IT got stuck between an inhouse product oriented environment and outsourced service brokerage environment. It is a global org so they simply cannot manage it. I don't want to stay in the company anymore so I want to change. There is no investment in IT but there are many unrealistic expectations. They can't show a career path for me within the company

I thought Swisscom can offer a more professional environment for an engineer since it is a technology company. They told me their infrastructure and tools are also state of the art and they invest money in it. Managers at Swisscom also have a technical background so I think there will be a better communication within the team. There might also be more interesting projects and positions available within Swisscom in the future. These are my motivations to work at Swisscom.

As you said it might have laming processes since it is a big corp. How much affect I can have within the company? I guess not much
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Re: Swisscom as an Employeer

I'm curious. Did you take the job with SC? and if so what do you think of your choice?
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Re: Swisscom as an Employeer

I took the job and am happy so far on average.

I had difficulties during the first months. Swisscom does not have an international environment. (When they say they have diversity, they mean people with different origins. According to me they are all Swiss since they were born/raised/schooled in Switzerland).
I was the only non-Swiss/German in the team and struggled for a while. I heard some stupid jokes against foreigners in the office. Sometimes they did it just to provocate. Luckily I had a good manager and he suppressed those attacks. I know there are some teams with many expats but it is not common at Swisscom. You should ask about this during the interview.

All internal correspondences are in DE/FR/IT. Support in English is very limited. People also get socialized in German so lacking German skills is a big drawback at Swisscom.

Swisscom does not have a performance based bonus structure. There are company KPIs and people at the same job level gets the same percentage of bonus regardless of their individual or team performance. Swisscom does not pay high salaries but they offer job security. I know many people who prefers Swisscom only because of job security. It is incredibly difficult to fire someone so that there is an accumulated amount of low performers. Managers cannot get rid of those people which is the by-product of this job security.

What I really like about Swisscom is their support for internal mobility. If you are bored of your job or if you want to try something new, you can apply for another position within the company. Since it is a technology company, you can find many interesting jobs.

Another big advantage is as an engineer you are contributing to the company directly. They know and they appreciate this. This is a satisfaction I didn't have when I was working for other industries where they see you as a cost center.
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Re: Swisscom as an Employeer

Hi everyone,

I have applied for a Software Engineer position at Swisscom and I am in a current process of being interviewed. I have read couple of above comments about the company, is there anything important to ask on the interview with them?
Does anyone know what other benefits do they offer other than salary? Do they have any relocation package for the employees?

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I have read couple of above comments about the company, is there anything important to ask on the interview with them?
Ask all those questions for which you need answers There is no right or wrong.

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Does anyone know what other benefits do they offer other than salary?
Swisscom have a GAV which basically offers a framework within which your contract would be put: http://www.syndicom.ch/de/branchen/ict.html

Syndicom, by the way, is the union which handles Swisscom.

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Do they have any relocation package for the employees?
This would be either in the GAV or subject to individual negotiation.

If you are to be a high-ranking manager, bringing this up would make sense. If not, well, most probably not.
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Re: Swisscom as an Employeer

http://www.thelocal.ch/20160204/swis...-revenues-slip

You will need good German, French or Italian to survive in Swisscom, there is very little English spoken within the company.
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You will need good German, French or Italian to survive in Swisscom, there is very little English spoken within the company.
Rubbish. I know a handful of people who spoke little to no German or French when they started at Swisscom.
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Re: Swisscom as an Employeer

Thanks - the GAV tells a lot about some basic stuff that I didn't know (no of holidays, bonus)

I don't speak any French, Italian, and very very basic German - I have been told that the official unit language is English but there might be some meetings in which German would be used. Are they flexible in terms of being able to negotiate a relocation package to Zurich?
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Rubbish. I know a handful of people who spoke little to no German or French when they started at Swisscom.
I worked in Ostermundigen, Bern, for 2 years in the IT maintenance group, and nobody spoke English, I never heard any spoken English either, nor any French. All communication was in German, mainly Bern Deutsch. In maintenance I visited many departments including Olten & Zurich. Maybe some people start out in English, but you need to learn German VERY quickly, otherwise you won't understand anything.
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Re: Swisscom as an Employeer

I, um, have "a friend" who used to work at Swisscom in the past and he knows people there who did not speak a word of German. And if you do will it not help you a lot anyway as it is impossible to understand Bernese people and their dialect.

Anyway: Most important thing to know is that Swisscome is a huge organisation and any general statements make little sense - there are awesome teams to work at and there are "less dynamic" parts of the company. Dont let anyone who made a bad or good experience influence you too much, but go for the interview and try to find out as much as possible about the immediate work environment and weather it works for you or not.


Fringe benefits vary within the organization. Besides the obvious free mobile phone do employees get some money to spend on Swisscom services (your choice if you want their TV or internet or whatever else. Not sure if they still have this but the company used to offer computers on a leasing basis, so I know people who used their monthly budget to pay for a privately used Mac...). If your job involves travelling is there a chance that you get the GA (a train ticket that allows you to travel on all trains in Switzerland all year) paid.
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You will need good German, French or Italian to survive in Swisscom, there is very little English spoken within the company.
In a call centre? Or in a shop? Sure!

Elsewhere? This will completely depend on the department. Swisscom is both a thoroughly Swiss, and a thoroughly international company.
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I worked in Ostermundigen, Bern, for 2 years in the IT maintenance group, and nobody spoke English, I never heard any spoken English either, nor any French. All communication was in German, mainly Bern Deutsch. In maintenance I visited many departments including Olten & Zurich. Maybe some people start out in English, but you need to learn German VERY quickly, otherwise you won't understand anything.


I worked several years in Liebefeld, Worblaufen and Zurich and claim the opposite. Especially in the mobile sector, everything Ex-Bluewin and the IT services organization was English very normal. Anything that used to be fixed line telephony before was very German speaking.
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Are they flexible in terms of being able to negotiate a relocation package to Zurich?
I'd consider this to be very unlikely - after all, you are most likely not an expatriate fed with golden spoons but an immigrant into a rich country.

You can try, and your success will depend on how desperately Swisscom want you.

Swisscom (like all good employers) will offer sort of "moral" support in you finding a flat for yourself - HR, for instance, seems to be happy to write letters of recommendations for landlords.
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I worked in Ostermundigen, Bern, for 2 years in the IT maintenance group, and nobody spoke English
Sorry - which side of the moon is Ostermundingen on again, please? :P

Of course German is. lets say. ... critical ..., for survival in the German speaking part of Switzerland (regardless of what some threads on English forum purport). French in La Romandie, Italian in Ticino. Why, it is the native language of the majority, so the best you can do to alienate yourself is to ... not understand, not speak that language.
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I'd consider this to be very unlikely - after all, you are most likely not an expatriate fed with golden spoons but an immigrant into a rich country.
;-) An immigrant from another rich county - maybe not as rich but still ;-) Anyway there are certain employers / places in the world which would offer you relocation packages and I was wondering if employers and specifically Swisscom is one of these and hey where is a better place to ask for those things before trying to get something from the employer than here?

I'll ask directly if I am going to be offered a position, but I need to evaluate how much will it cost me to move the family to Zurich.
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Sorry - which side of the moon is Ostermundingen on again, please? :P.
Our department was about 50 people, 5 of us were concerned with the installation, maintenance and dismantling of 15'000 servers (yes, thousands), and so I did get to speak with quite a few people during my 2 years, not one conversation was in English, but I think I had one in French. The division manager was Italian.

I really don't care at all in scoring points, but the OP needs to be warned, and ask the relevant question at the next interview.
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I really don't care at all in scoring points, but the OP needs to be warned, and ask the relevant question at the next interview.
Appreciated. It's become evident by now that the business unit he applies to has English as its official working language (and I do know how difficult declaration vs reality can be). Presumably because the Swiss population also uses English to converse with the folks outside of their language region

(Seriously, many (younger) Swiss are much more comfortable using English when talking to their Swiss colleagues from the West of the country - let alone talking to those south of the Alps!)
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