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Offer and start date

Dear all,
on Monday, I will get an offer

they would like me to start on Sept. 1st. We are living in the nl. I discuss with my wife and even if we are in July, I need a bit of time to rent our apartment, to prepare as well the move for our small baby, and probably my current employer will keep me till end of August...

they will offer me a relocation package. I don t want to make the guy difficult but do you think it is well seen if Iask to start mid sept. It is only 2 weeks and will give me a bit of peace as well....

what do you think? and how you would explain that in a pragmatic way?

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Re: Offer and start date

It depends how much they want you & how good the other candidates are.
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Re: Offer and start date

depends if you have already said you could start 1st september.

If you didn't agree a start date already then no harm asking.

Could also ask your current employer to let you finish half way through August?
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Re: Offer and start date

I said that probably I would need a couple of weeks to organize myself...but they asked for sept.1s, I don t think 2 weeks more or less is a main issue....related to my current employer, I don t think he will leave me mid of August......
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Re: Offer and start date

I wouldn't do it.
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Re: Offer and start date

Why?
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Re: Offer and start date

Because you will be perceived as the difficult guy. Which seems to be a pretty accurate perception btw.
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Re: Offer and start date

What did you discuss in the interview? If you said you were available Sept. 1 and then you come back and change your mind, they won't be pleased. It depends how badly they want to fill the position.

The job market is pretty tight here right now. If you won't start Sept. 1, it's very possible the next candidate in line will. So you have to decide if you're willing to take that risk over a few weeks to "get organized." NL is not that far from Switzerland. It's not like you're moving halfway around the planet. The employer knows you can make trips back and forth (and use the Internet) to sort out details.

Of course it's possible they will accept your request. But what's your plan if they don't? I know someone who just got turned down for a job because they could not start on the date the employer specified, and the employer was not willing to flex. To you it's not a big deal. To them...
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Re: Offer and start date

I see...thanks...I am not difficult, I am just asking questions...in the NL usually, they are always very flexible, that s why I am asking....

Seen how it is tough to get an offer, for sure i will probably be low profile on the start date
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I see...thanks...I am not difficult, I am just asking questions...in the NL usually, they are always very flexible, that s why I am asking....

Seen how it is tough to get an offer, for sure i will probably be low profile on the start date
The one thing Switzerland is not.... Is flexible!

Have you got any holidays you can take before your official final day at your current employer, so that you can finish earlier?
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Re: Offer and start date

If you're straight forward with HR at the company hiring you, it may be agreed. Perhaps they will need to modify the official job offer, but that would only delay the official signing by a couple days. If they are truly interested in you, then they will accommodate your request. It's not like you're asking for more money nor a prolonged delay to the start date.

I was in a similar situation. I asked for a one month delay between jobs, but we settled for a 2 week delay. I will also move from Amsterdam on Sept 1 and start my new job in Basel on Sept 15. We're moving twins!

To me, it's important to have some rest between jobs to recharge the battery as well as have time to move or take a vacation somewhere. It's not everyday that we're in this position.

If it's a good company that cares about its workers, they will understand.
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Re: Offer and start date

Wow! Such a coincidence, so we are moving at the same time...maybe for the same company...
Yes, I agree..I do not see that as a such blocking point.....and it is only two weeks...I always take a break before starting a new job just to recharge the battery.....But sounds a bit rigid on it as a first sight, but I can be wrong as they said that we are only in July, plus support from them to relocate....but for me, the point is just having rest and organizing last things in Amsterdam before the move....Not sure how to put that on the table without appearing to difficult....
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Re: Offer and start date

Have you proposed the Sept 15 start date yet to them? If not, it sounds like you have all the main logical reasons. If it's really tough for them to accept, maybe you can agree for Sept 8. That will give you an extra week to deal with the transition. Obviously, the more time you have, the easier the transition will be. Their only argument is that they have made a nice offer and want you to start the great job as soon as possible. Yet, international moves require many things, so they should understand that you need more than a weekend to get down there and be ready on Day 1.

Will you let us know how it goes with HR? I'm curious if they're as inflexible as the other posters envision them to be. If that's the case, you may want to think deeper if you want to work for such an employer. To me, leaving Amsterdam and the Dutch culture for the Swiss culture was the most difficult part of the decision! Even if Switzerland is gorgeous!!
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Re: Offer and start date

I see what you mean with dutch and swiss culture .... But if it is an international setting, could be nice.....

Well, let s say that during interviews I said that I would need a couple of weeks to organize...then by phone, they said no need because there is a relocation package...therefore, not sure if I should give a try or not...

But for you sounds they were ok and the company I am going to work looks very open for their employees, excellent reputation in term of work life balance, so I don t think it would be a problem, but always delicate to put that when you get the offer....
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The job market is pretty tight here right now. If you won't start Sept. 1, it's very possible the next candidate in line will.
generally, people have a notice period of three months.
that makes filling a position within three months pretty difficult.
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Re: Offer and start date

There is a high chance that if you ask for it you will get it. Doesnt change my point though. I wouldt do it.

You will undoubtably start your new job under the perception "a difficult guy".

The Swiss are not like the Germans or the Dutch where you would get a simple yes or a no and thats the end of it. Swiss may say yes while they at the same time cement their preconceptions about you.
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I see what you mean with dutch and swiss culture .... But if it is an international setting, could be nice.....

Well, let s say that during interviews I said that I would need a couple of weeks to organize...then by phone, they said no need because there is a relocation package...therefore, not sure if I should give a try or not...

But for you sounds they were ok and the company I am going to work looks very open for their employees, excellent reputation in term of work life balance, so I don t think it would be a problem, but always delicate to put that when you get the offer....
As in much of life, we need to be careful which battles we choose to fight. But you won't know until you ask. What's the worse they can do? Say no. If they rescind their offer for that, you're better off then (in my opinoin).

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Wow! Such a coincidence, so we are moving at the same time...maybe for the same company...
Yes, I agree..I do not see that as a such blocking point.....and it is only two weeks...I always take a break before starting a new job just to recharge the battery.....But sounds a bit rigid on it as a first sight, but I can be wrong as they said that we are only in July, plus support from them to relocate....but for me, the point is just having rest and organizing last things in Amsterdam before the move....Not sure how to put that on the table without appearing to difficult....
to me, you don't seem to be really eager to get the job.
if you come up with a story like that, the employer may indeed look for someone else.
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Re: Offer and start date

What is the link between asking 2 weeks more and motivation?...euh....?
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Re: Offer and start date

There is another point to consider...

What if you were not the first choice of your new employer ?

But the first choice could not start until the 1st October, or possibly the 15th September ?

If you are not available on the 1st September then they may very well have second thoughts about you. On the other hand, maybe they won't. It really depends on what the new assignment is and how much they need you.

If the new assignment is really worth while, then best to exit your current position earlier, whatever the cost. It would be extremely difficult to finish end of August in one country and then start right away in the other. At the same time, keep in close contact with the new employer, giving him updates on the progress of your move and gently let on that you are having some problems on getting an early release from your current work but you are trying to resolve the problem.

Talk to them.
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