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Employer not paying source tax

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I have a suspision that my wifes employer is not paying source tax for her or any of there other employees (all expats), I was wondering if there is any way that you can find out of a company is paying source tax and AVS/AHV etc?

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Re: Employer not paying source tax

You mean they may be taking it, but not passing it to the tax people?
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Re: Employer not paying source tax

Yes, I understand this is a terrible accusation to make, but they are taking deductions from salaries (which are very low) but will not provide a pay slip and have refused to explain what the deduction are.
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Re: Employer not paying source tax

Every employee has a right under law to receive a monthly pay slip (Lohnabrechnung) no matter what the employer may say. Demand politely and investigate.

Links: http://www.20min.ch/community/dossie...story/24768621

http://www.gesetze.ch/sr/220/220_025.htm

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Every employee has a right under law to receive a monthly pay slip (Lohnabrechnung) no matter what the employer may say. Demand politely and investigate.

Links: http://www.20min.ch/community/dossie...story/24768621

http://www.gesetze.ch/sr/220/220_025.htm
My understanding is you don't have the right to a monthly pay slip, however an annual one must be given.

Companies often don't pay pension contributions, or AHV for many months sometimes a year late. If the go bankrupt, you don't loose out as such payments are insured.
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Re: Employer not paying source tax

As an employee I wouldn't worry about the tax deductions, but you should visit the AHV office and check if your deductions have been paid into your account.
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As an employee I wouldn't worry about the tax deductions, but you should visit the AHV office and check if your deductions have been paid into your account.

AHV office will give a print out that can be ordered online, it's historical info about a year behind ......
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Re: Employer not paying source tax

To make sure if the employer payed AHV you will have to contact your "AHV-Ausgleichskasse". To find out which one it is just follow the instruction given on this site:


https://inforegister.zas.admin.ch/InfoWeb/InfoRegisterAccueil_de.jsp



Ask them how to proceed (form to fill out etc, maybe they have an online form) to get your account information.


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Re: Employer not paying source tax

I just did the exercise with the AHV and 9 months worth of contributions (for 2012 interestingly enough but not for 2013 - same employer) were indeed missing. Thiis part of exercise completed, situation rectified. Now I need to complete the other part of the exercise and pay the contributions for the year where I was unemployed and paid nothing in AHV due to own ignorance.
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My understanding is you don't have the right to a monthly pay slip, however an annual one must be given.
That's what I always have received (annual), plus a document in January stating what the monthly deductions for the coming year will be.

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My understanding is you don't have the right to a monthly pay slip, however an annual one must be given.
I understand it this way: you have the right to get it - if you want it. You don't have to if you don't.

Pay slips are proof of income which is required in some instances, especially from us, non-EU folks (visas, other formalities).
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Companies often don't pay pension contributions, or AHV for many months sometimes a year late...
My company gets a bill from AHV (now SVA) monthly. Pension is once a year.
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Every employee has a right under law to receive a monthly pay slip (Lohnabrechnung) no matter what the employer may say. Demand politely and investigate.

Links: http://www.20min.ch/community/dossie...story/24768621

http://www.gesetze.ch/sr/220/220_025.htm


That is incorrect, an annual paysilp is perfectly acceptable, and is normally given at the start of the year (when I got mine), or as soon as practicable after the employee starts.

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I understand it this way: you have the right to get it - if you want it. You don't have to if you don't.

Pay slips are proof of income which is required in some instances, especially from us, non-EU folks (visas, other formalities).
Demanding a monthly payslip may make the op look a little foolish, if the employer only provides an annual statement. If the don't give those either then a call to the SVA/tax office would be worthwhile. Monthly slips are the norm I think, but an annual slip itemised by column by month gives all the information the tax officers (in whatever country) need as far as your income/deductions are concerned... and it's less paper so saves a chunk of forest for the wildlife.
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Re: Employer not paying source tax

One more thing. As explained in the article in ktipp (link below), the pay slip is THE document where the OP should find the answers to his questions. HR people who take the short cuts make me mad.

https://www.ktipp.ch/artikel/d/kann-...ung-verlangen/
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One more thing. As explained in the article in ktipp (link below), the pay slip is THE document where the OP should find the answers to his questions. HR people who take the short cuts make me mad.

https://www.ktipp.ch/artikel/d/kann-...ung-verlangen/
The link makes no mention as to whether the monthly slip was stopped in favour of an annual slip. The reply only states the employer must provide and itemised account, and if that is only done annually it's fine. Less admin, less cost, more trees... chalk 1 to the birdy's
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That is incorrect, an annual paysilp is perfectly acceptable, and is normally given at the start of the year (when I got mine), or as soon as practicable after the employee starts.



Demanding a monthly payslip may make the op look a little foolish, if the employer only provides an annual statement. If the don't give those either then a call to the SVA/tax office would be worthwhile. Monthly slips are the norm I think, but an annual slip itemised by column by month gives all the information the tax officers (in whatever country) need as far as your income/deductions are concerned... and it's less paper so saves a chunk of forest for the wildlife.
Great and fine in a perfect world where all the figures are correct. First of all, it is the HR Manager's job to answer the employee's questions with respect to his/her salary. Second, why exactly is it foolish to ask for a monthly payment slip? Third, yearly statement one does get only once a year after all. There are situations, when monthly slip are required in between.
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The link makes no mention as to whether the monthly slip was stopped in favour of an annual slip. The reply only states the employer must provide and itemised account, and if that is only done annually it's fine. Less admin, less cost, more trees... chalk 1 to the birdy's
Der Arbeitgeber ist gesetzlich verpflichtet, dem Arbeitnehmer mit jeder Lohnzahlung eine schriftliche Lohnabrechnung zu übergeben. Diese muss alle Zuschläge und Abzüge detailliert aufführen.
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There are situations, when monthly slip are required in between.
Such as?

The only thing I use mine for is tax returns, and that's yearly.

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The only thing I use mine for is tax returns, and that's yearly.

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Last time I needed mine for a UK visa, a friend was asked for hers when she was moving house.
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Great and fine in a perfect world where all the figures are correct. First of all, it is the HR Manager's job to answer the employee's questions with respect to his/her salary. Second, why exactly is it foolish to ask for a monthly payment slip? Third, yearly statement one does get only once a year after all. There are situations, when monthly slip are required in between.
Simple really:

1 - Your working on the premise that a HR Manager exists, and in a small company may not. An annual slip containing all legal entries IS sufficient, and in a small firm it presents a saving in time and money over monthly slips.

2 - A firm makes a policy decision on when it issues payslips, the content of the slip is laid down in statute, and they must comply. You used the word demand, and that would make the op's wife look foolish, asking is a different matter. If the company does not provide monthly but annually what is your issue? No payslips at all is a different matter, and the op should verify with the SVA to make sure his wife has the social charges deducted.

3 - Should extra ordinary payments be made, then a revised slip can be made, still much less admin and paper.

I have used my annual slip for a car lease and a new apartment, and it never presented a problem.
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