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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

lots of people here like the NZ connection, even landlords. we have had people even offer us apartments because NZ was their dream destination - no kidding! people sell up their house and move in NZ all the time. If you are lucky you can sell or buy a house literally in an afternoon. Why not squeeze in a Swiss experience in between house purchases ?
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She said she was raised in Switzerland until the age of 19. If that's the case it isn't humanly possible that she doesn't speak one of the languages.
Might wanna listen to Arnold Schwarzenegger speaking German... 20+ years abroad and you'd be surprised how easy it is to forget one's own native tongue.




OP, I'm sorry I have to agree with most others here. There are a few aspects you need to consider: Switzerland has an extremely competitive labor market with very few low-skill jobs. Without qualification and without very solid knowledge of a local language, you will struggle badly in finding anything - that's true for both you and your husband. On top of that, the market is slow in Switzerland - even high-skilled, experienced people, Swiss or non-Swiss, often struggle to find jobs and it's not uncommon to spend 4, 6, 8 months looking for a new position.

This is also pretty much the most expensive country in the world, you need enough fundings to get you by at least 6 months - frankly in your case I'd say rather 12.

You should be able to find work as a cleaner, but note that two people surviving on one cleaner's income will be awfully difficult. You'd be able to buy the mere necessities, but that will be it.

Also, do you even still have a Swiss passport? If neither of you is a Swiss citizen, you can basically forget the whole idea anyway as there's zero way you'll find a job. Sorry, I really don't mean to discourage you and I don't want to be mean either, but you need to be very realistic here...
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Might wanna listen to Arnold Schwarzenegger speaking German... 20+ years abroad and you'd be surprised how easy it is to forget one's own native tongue.
I haven't been to my "home" country in 29 years and I am still quite fluent in both my mother tongues. I think forgetting your first language is just laziness.
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I haven't been to my "home" country in 29 years and I am still quite fluent in both my mother tongues. I think forgetting your first language is just laziness.
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Might wanna listen to Arnold Schwarzenegger speaking German... 20+ years abroad and you'd be surprised how easy it is to forget one's own native tongue.
Not sure if Arnold S is good example to uphold as far as the effect of moving away from your mother country is concerned.

Mind, his English must be good (or good enough), but if his goal was to really sound American, it's highly debatable whether he has achieved that either.


My mother tongue is English. Can't see myself forgetting that any time soon. (Of course, living in Switzerland for greater than 3 years will be a greater challenge in itself).
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I haven't been to my "home" country in 29 years and I am still quite fluent in both my mother tongues. I think forgetting your first language is just laziness.
How really fluent? I speak German and English on a daily basis and believe me I have moments when I can't find the right word in my mother tongue and use pathetic substitutes instead. No, you don't forget but it could sound awkward sometimes. On the other hand, you'll be most probably better at that language than a non-native speaker anyway. I am thinking of Swiss German here.
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I haven't been to my "home" country in 29 years and I am still quite fluent in both my mother tongues. I think forgetting your first language is just laziness.
Good for you, honestly. However, what is true for you isn't true for others. It also doesn't matter WHY someone forgets his own language after a while. A fact is that many indeed do.

So just because she's lived her for a few years as a teen some 25 years ago doesn't automatically mean she still speaks German fluently. It doesn't even mean that she still understands or speaks any of it.

But that's not really the point here.
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She said she was raised in Switzerland until the age of 19. If that's the case it isn't humanly possible that she doesn't speak one of the languages.
I'll see your and raise you a .
It's not just her, but her husband also... my post was trying to take both of them into account. I'm sure she speaks a native tounge, but over 20 years away speaking another language, and lack of regular practise can easily blunt it. And it's not even certain if where they want to move is the language region she grew up... she simply hasn't given those details.
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What's with all the negativity and naysaying?

They're adults. They have no dependent children. They would like to give it a try and if it doesn't work they'll go back. I think a couple with grown children are responsible and smart enough to know what their finances will and will not allow. What's the problem?

I found myself in the same situation as them ten years ago. I sold everything and moved here, knowing that if didn't work out I could head back. It worked out just fine. (quite a bit better than just "fine", actually)

You only live once.
I say so long as she is asking, getting "negative" opinions is a good thing. This is a huge life decision and I think we can all agree that there is more than a shadow of a chance at least one of them will face a few hurdles in job-finding.

If the OP can take on-board the most critical, naysaying advice here and accept it as at least a possibility, then she will be all the more prepared should the ride not be easy. I myself would rather know if I have a bumpy road ahead. And just to throw one more cliche in there, it is always good to plan for the worst, even if one expects the best.

I love a good adventure so I hope for the best for her an her husband. Good luck!!
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there is a construction boom in some parts of switzerland at the moment, so again that means jobs and many will not require you to speak a lot of german, just have the right attitude.

good luck!
Truuuue, but arn´t those jobs earmarked for half of Spain´s unemployed?
Jeez, we realy need a decent war again to get the Job/jobseeker ratio back into balance.
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Hi there,

Both my husband and I are willing to give most jobs a go.
Very tough, but not impossible. It may take you time, but if you don't have a big ego, Switzerland takes on a large number of asylum seekers per year, and eventually get jobs for them. You'd have to really humble yourself, and if you really prove yourself, its not inconceivable for you to get a real job.

Maybe we should kick out a few foreigners to make room for you.

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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Thank you for all your replies and especially to those that are at least a little bit positive.

Just to clarify , yes, I speak fluent Swiss German as I was raised and schooled there. My father is Swiss, my mother is Kiwi, so I am fluent in both languages.
My husband has worked in CH for 2 1/2 years in Buehler and he did attend a German course for 6 months when we first arrived in CH. He can still communicate in German now, although he is a bit rusty.

We will be living in the Kanton St.Gallen area, where I grew up and most of my family is.
Living in NZ we have lived off of the smell of an oily rag and thus living on two low wages doesn't phase us. I don't know why people keep saying CH is so expensive, we pay the same here in NZ that you pay for your food over there, also about the same for rent, clothes, cars etc, but we earn about a fifth here in wages. Every time I would go and visit my family in CH I took home receipts, catalogues and whatever else I could find to take home and look at everything. We aren't wanting to go to CH for luxury, just to enjoy a bit of Switzerland when and as we can.

Thanks for some of your suggestions, we will look into them further.
Much appreciated.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Feel free to PM me if you feel like it. We moved from NZ 5 years ago, didn't bring much in way of furniture, had a fab moving company, I have made the move a few times, like yourself, and feel itchy feet should be scratched . More than happy to share any tips and contacts.

To all you naysayers out there, have you all been switzerlanded? half of EF wouldn't be here if we had that attitude!
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I believe what you are trying to do is almost impossible. 10 years ago I was unemployed for 2 years, followed by 2 years on social security. I do know the impossibilities of finding work when you are over 60 years of age. And I can work in both German and French speaking areas, I have certificates to prove I did, successfully, for 17 years.

We are surrounded by EU countries, most of which have heavy unemployment and stagnation. The younger EU people arrived here years ago and have managed to find a way of life, taking up the cheaper unskilled / semi skilled jobs. Many have retired and returned to their home countries. There is no minimum wage here, no free health insurance, the apartment rental here is higher than in Germany or France. With one adult cleaning wage you will barely survive here, it won't be the promised land.

The Swiss unemployment figures, about 3%, are deceptive. Once you have used up your unemployment credit, after about 18 months, you are no longer an unemployed statistic - you are now a social security statistic. So the figures look good, on paper!

The good news is the Swiss government will give you a lot of support as you are a returning citizen. Please ask the Swiss embassy in NZ.

The best idea so far is to cancel the sale of your home, and come here for a long holiday, maybe staying with your relatives. During this time try and find work. If you do, you can stay here, if not you can go back to NZ with not too many loss of assets.

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I believe what you are trying to do is almost impossible.
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Can you please explain to OP how is it that Switzerland can take in refugees and asylum seekers, provide financial aid, job placement, yet she cannot?
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......but we want to at least give it a go.
What she said.

If you have a Swiss residency of sorts, and language skills, there will always be work.

I am sure that you have had a look through Jobs.ch.. I have found manpower.ch to be the best website to show you how to present your CV in this land.

Assuming that you wish to get a regular job. Which I suspect you don't.

I am thinking what would suit you is to run a youth hostel in the mountains, as you sound like hard workers.

Here is a cleaning job in the mountains:
http://waldhaus-flims.ch/de/footerna...detail?id=3094

or try this:
http://www.hotelcareer.ch/

more:
http://www.hotelcareer.ch/jobs/hotelierverein-zermatt

There are few Orchards here, though a number of large farms with vegetables. No idea on that one, but I am sure he is flexible.
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There are a few local kiwis in Flims even .
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Thank you for those links. Yes, a regular job is just fine, any job is fine. And yes, my husband and I are very hard workers and we pride ourselves on that. And my husband would happily work on a farm with vegetables, he is quite passionate about gardening anyway. Thanks again.
Oh and I am a Swiss citizen, so at least for me we don't have to worry about any permits etc.
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Can you please explain to OP how is it that Switzerland can take in refugees and asylum seekers, provide financial aid, job placement, yet she cannot?
We were thinking along the same lines. We were thinking if asylum seekers and other immigrants that have little to no skills can find work, that surely we should be able to. I am not too proud to be a cleaner, I take pride in doing whatever I do to my best ability, I consider myself a bit of a perfectionist, so whomever I clean for, they get a great job done. Hey, without cleaners in hotels, restaurants, streets etc, it would soon become very filthy and people wouldn't be happy about that either, would they, so I am all good about being 'just a cleaner'. However, maybe I will end up working in a place like Migros, Coop, Manor etc, and I would be happy doing that too. I can do anything if given the chance, other than be a doctor or a lawyer etc, those may be out of my reach lol.
And my husband is one of the most loyal workers I know. Like I said, he is an orchard manager and has great leadership skills, is very organized and would do well pretty much anywhere too if given a chance. We know that he will have to spruce up his Swiss German/German, but he will be ok. We will make it work! Neither of us is under the illusion that it will be easy or that we are entering the land of milk and honey, we will work hard and we will get by with whatever comes our way.
If there are other Kiwis on this forum, we would love to hear from you and maybe you can share what moving companies you used etc. Not that we are wanting to bring everything with us, but a few things would be great.
Please keep your thoughts and suggestions coming, we are realistic people and will take on board what you are saying, but we are not quitters and we will make it work!
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Two days ago there was an asylum seeker here looking for B&B at under Fr 35,- per night, he had to leave the hostel, and would be paid this allowance. For the past 10 years he has not been sleeping in his own room, he was looking forward to that luxury.

Whether asylum seekers get proper jobs is a mute point: maybe some dish washing and train cleaning at night, with wages subsidised by the government. But these jobs are not available to the public.

I am trying to suggest to you that the future will not be at all rosy, and I worry that your capital will be eaten up with living expenses, as the Gemeinde will only pay social security when you are down to your last Fr 10'000.
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As I said, we don't believe that it will be all rosie, we know we will have challenges, probably a lot of them. And we won't allow it to eat up all our capital, if it doesn't work, we will return to NZ. We are going to be selling our lifestyle property anyway, we are not just doing that because of CH. I sure hope that we can prove you wrong, but if not, then so be it. We will give it a go anyway.
We have had enough life experience to make informed decisions, we have the family support over there, i.e. they will keep an eye out for jobs for us too as soon as we know when we are moving. We can stay with them for the first few weeks until we find a job and when that happens we will look for a flat. A cheap one and there are plenty of them out there, we have been looking online.
And if we do end up coming back here, then my husband and I will have taken the opportunity to give it a go and then we will spend a bit of money on a holiday before returning to NZ and we will walk right back into work. My husband is very well respected in the region and get job offers all the time, even though he is not looking. And I will pick up my little cleaning business again and take it from there.
There is much to gain (maybe not money, but experience and family time) and not much to loose, as we are not silly enough to go and waste all our capital away just because we are too proud to admit that it doesn't work.
It will work out, you just watch us go!
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