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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

I dont know if this would work in your husband's sector, but it does in mine. You choose an employer that you would like to work for, and offer to work for them for nothing whilst you are looking for a job, on the understanding that if they like your work, they will take you on if a job becomes available. Of course, if you get an offer elsewhere, you will leave.

Once you have one foot in the door, and the contacts and experience that come with that, things are easier.

I like your work ethic, and wish you every luck. I look forward to hearing how things turn out for you.

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I dont know if this would work in your husband's sector, but it does in mine. You choose an employer that you would like to work for, and offer to work for them for nothing whilst you are looking for a job, on the understanding that if they like your work, they will take you on if a job becomes available. Of course, if you get an offer elsewhere, you will leave.
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Marsalforn, that's interesting! I've heard of such deals for the dirty work in a hotel/restaurant. Are there other sectors which work this way?


It concerns me that I've heard it is a way for employers to exploit workers. The employer offers a job tells the potential employee to work for a day or a week "trial period", after which the employer finds some faults, and gives the employee the opportunity to prove him/herself for another week, and so on. In the end, the employee is told that he/she is not good enough, but by then the hotel/restaurant has gotten several weeks of free labour.


I realise this isn't exactly the same as Marsalforn is suggesting, but similar, the other way round, so to speak.


For any free work, please get it in writing. That way, the terms are clear. And perhaps at least the accident insurance would be covered.


Switzerland is so small, and the German-speaking are a subset, that one very important rule here is not to burn one's bridges. Keep on good terms with the people/employers whom you leave, too. It's amazing how quickly word spreads, and your reputation will soon precede you.


All the best, Kiwi2Swiss. And yes, I, too, have been moved by the many, many generous responses to your questions, and the warm discussion in your thread.
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even though your situation is almost completely unlike the OPs (she speaks the local language, has a swiss passport, has lived here before and does not just have one skill to offer). i would still say go for it as soon as you have secured a work permit. you obviously have to right attitude to make it in NZ since you are willing to give anything a go .
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i did not read that you have family here, have your network setup. thats a fully different picture then.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Doropfiz, I know that things are often done this way in the health sector, for care assistants, nurses aides, and even foreign nurses, though this latter was just for two weeks.

In the Lausanne area, ambulance technicians are trained on the job, so before offering paid absence for training, the employer likes to see what they are getting, so to speak.

I fully agree that this kind of thing is open to abuse, so you have to be careful and get everything in writing.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Marsalforn and Doropfiz, thank you for your emails.
It is certainly something to consider, here in NZ you hear of this occasionally, had never thought it would be done in Switzerland. Thank you for the idea.

I appreciate your continued thoughts, it means a lot.

House hasn't sold yet, but we have an offer, so hopefully things will happen soon.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Hello Kiwi2Swiss

how're things going with your plans?

I keep wondering about your selling your house. And I so hope there is some way for you to keep a small safe base (a bachelor flat, perhaps) in NZ, as your safe base
a) to which to retreat if you choose to leave Switzerland later
b) to hold some of your capital stable, and
c) which you can rent out while away.

It just seems wise, to me (although of course I presume to say this without knowing you) to keep a little corner of NZ to call your own.

If you can find a way to do something along those lines, something small but solid as a safety net, then I think that with the amount of determination you have shown researching so many aspects, and with your husband willing to improve his German, and relations who will put you up to start with... your coming to Switzerland is a wonderful idea!
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Hello Dofopfiz,

Thank you for your enquiry.
We have got a contract on the house, we are just waiting now for the other people to sell their house, then off we go.

We will have enough money left back here to buy ourselves another house when we return, so we are sorted, thank you for your concern.

My husband goes and speaks with a Swiss Person twice a week for an hour at a time and that seems to be helping him and we are also speaking as much Swiss and German together as we can.

Unfortunately there is not an awful lot we can do here until the house has gone unconditional, but we are slowly but surely sorting through things and getting our CV's sorted.

Thanks again for your thoughts. Much appreciated
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Hello Kiwi2Swiss

how're things going with your plans?

I keep wondering about your selling your house. And I so hope there is some way for you to keep a small safe base (a bachelor flat, perhaps) in NZ, as your safe base
a) to which to retreat if you choose to leave Switzerland later
b) to hold some of your capital stable, and
c) which you can rent out while away.

It just seems wise, to me (although of course I presume to say this without knowing you) to keep a little corner of NZ to call your own.

If you can find a way to do something along those lines, something small but solid as a safety net, then I think that with the amount of determination you have shown researching so many aspects, and with your husband willing to improve his German, and relations who will put you up to start with... your coming to Switzerland is a wonderful idea!
the reason why we decided against keeping property in NZ when we moved away is that keeping a property and renting it out sounds easy but can be a major headache. You have to hire an agent to look after it which is quite expensive in NZ. Unless you have great tenants, they often end up wrecking the place and costing you money (has happened to many friends of ours who have rental properties and they live in the same town as their rental properties). We have friends look after our property before when we left NZ and it's a strain on the friendship, even though we paid them. No easy and painfree way of doing this so I totally understand why Kiwi2swiss decided to sell up.

You can always buy another property when and if you get back.
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What's with all the negativity and nay-saying?

I found myself in the same situation as them ten years ago. I sold everything and moved here, knowing that if didn't work out I could head back. It worked out just fine. (quite a bit better than just "fine", actually)

You only live once.
In my opinion since the "Arab Spring", the job vacancy situation here for the unskilled, has changed completely. We are overrun with young and lowly qualified people.

When did you last see a job advertised for a hotel chamber maid, or a garden labourer? Those advertised jobs are gone, and vacancies today are filled by word of mouth, employees tell their fellow countrymen when a vacancy will arise.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

For a job in a ski resort try

http://www.jobszermatt.ch/jobs_in_zermatt_16.html

A lot of Americans visit Zermatt so your English speaking skills will be useful.

Yet, simply going there and asking around works too. You can be lucky and it falls into place.

Otherwise I'd try Saas Fee since it is another big German-speaking resort.
Or maybe the Lauterbrunnen area. Though I guess you know of these since you grew up in CH.

And enjoy!! :-)
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

or try

http://www.hoteljob-schweiz.de/index.php

or something like this one, in a touristy area
http://www.hoteljob-schweiz.de/zimme...-11174913.html
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Would you consider working in an Altersheim or assisted living residence?

If so, this is an area where there is much need - from housekeeping, kitchen help to personal assistance staff.

Your Swiss-German skills will stand you in good stead, as residents prefer to converse in their mother tongue and not all employees are able to do that. Plus your age would likely be a benefit as well, as your 'life experience' brings much to your interaction with the residents.

(And yes, housekeeping staff, kitchen staff, etc. all interact in a very meaningful way with Altersheim residents - often moreso than the professional nursing staff.

For instance, here is the list of open jobs at the Tertianum group, private assisted living and/or care residences in several locations around Switzerland:

http://www.tertianum.ch/de/jobs-karriere/freiestellen

There are other private residences, and just about every Gemeinde has it's own public Altersheim - indeed eldercare is a fast growing sector in Switzerland, the need for employees seems to be constant.

This type of work could be a good foot in the door.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Thanks again to all that have shared their thoughts.

I pretty much have a job already, but it's not full time, so I will definitely look into the Altersheim. I worked in one in my baeuerlichen Haushaltlehrjahr, wenn I was 17 and quite enjoyed that. I am a 'helper' by nature, so this would suit me well. I shall look into that further, thanks meloncollie.
Also thanks for the links for other jobs, will look into them a bit more tonight when I get home from work.

And Banadol, you are so right, I , as a cleaner go into the rental properties all the time and I am horrified with what the tenants tend to get away with. I have not come across one rental yet that was well looked after, it's really quite shocking. Often the property managers seem to be more considerate about not ticking off the tenants and don't make sure that the property gets cleaned thoroughly and as it should.

Jax, to my shame I have to admit that I don't know much of Switzerland, as when I was a child, I never went very far with my father when he went for drives, because I always got car sick. We will look into the ski areas though, I am sure that could be a starting point for my husband.

Thanks again to all.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Hello? Kiwi2Swiss... have you arrived in Switzerland, yet? Settled in?

If so, would you please take a few minutes to update this thread, to let us know how you are faring, what kind(s) of work you and your husband have found, how you went about it, etc. After all, it's one thing researching it as thoroughly - and commendably - as you did before planning to leave NZ, and another thing actually touching Swiss earth.

As your thread so well collects the kind of questions other "Auslandschweizer" ask, I think it could be useful to others if you would please share your experiences here.

Thanks very much.
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Hello there Doropfiz,

I am surprised that anyone would even remember my posts.
Yes, we arrived mid February 15 and have settled in nicely. We are subrenting off of my cousin for the time being and both my husband and myself have got a job.
My husband responded to an ad in the St.Galler Bauer that was looking for a person that would keep the building site clean. He went to Schnupper for 3 days and has just kept going ever since. I was made aware of a job in an old peoples home and was able to go and Schnupper for 2 days. I also have a job, but my one does not start until the 1st of June. I will be cleaning the rooms/halls/bathrooms and will also be serving the occupants breakfast/lunch and dinner on alternate days. My husband had work after 5 days in CH and I had a contract after 1 week in CH. Having spoken to people since, there is still a very divided opinion out there, those who say "it cannot happen" and those who say "if you are looking for work and are willing to do anything, then you will find a job".
Maybe we have been very lucky, but we prefer to think that we came with a can do attitude and it worked for us. But I will also say that my cousin working at the same place (all be it in a different field) and having put in a word for me, got my foot in the door, I had to do the rest.
Both of us have to travel approx 30 Min to our jobs and yes, we are on minimum wage, but we were expecting that, so it is not a shock to us.

I hope this helps and thanks for asking Doropfiz
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

awesome guys! good to know it's all working out for you and good on you being bold and brave in taking on this challenge.

all the best!
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Thanks for sharing, Kiwi2Swiss. Well done!

Would you, when the time is right, tell us a bit about your accommodation situation? Staying with relatives? Or managed to find a flat? Can you afford to rent?

Are you all registered with the government departments, and paying your social security contributions (AHV), etc.? Got the compulsory medical insurance?

I'd really like to know whether, on your two salaries, which you describe as low, you can manage to come out each month. And once you start work, I'd like to know whether you feel that, on the whole, it has been worth it to move here.
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Quite a remarkable story, gives me some hope.
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Doropfiz, I will tell you what I can now and will add the rest later, especially about work and if we feel it was worth it.

As I had mentioned, we are subletting my cousins house. My niece is also living with us and my cousin and her husband still come and go every day, but only for certain times of the day when they are waiting for the cheesemaker to come and collect the milk that they bring down from another barn each day. So, is it ideal? No, but that is because I am an intensly private person and since our children have moved out, I have gotten so used to it being just my husband and I. Is it workable? Yes, it is saving us money for the time being and we love the house and where it is located, which is rural. At some point, maybe once I have been working for several months, we will look into finding my husband a job in the same town (if that is possible) and then we might move into a flat. We will only ever look at the lower end for rent, around 1200.-. In Kanton SG that is possible, but I realize that most of you are closer to Zürich, so that would not work for you. Time will tell, for the time being, we will enjoy having a house with a peaceful and private space.
Yes, we have registered with all the departments, AHV, Krankenkasse, the Gemeinde, have bought and insured our car, changed my NZ drivers license over, my husband is still in the process of doing that, we had to wait for his Ausländerausweis to arrive first and we still have time for that, so no rush.
At this point and time it is easy for me to say that we are loving it here, but I realize that I have been very spoiled by not having to work until now. My husband is loving the change of work and having a set home time and having the weekends to ourselves to just go and travel around CH. We are loving it.
Like I have said in a previous mail, both my husband and I know how to live frugally, so this is what we will be doing more of when I start work. In the meantime we can still fall back on the money that we had allowed for this time.

I think it is fair to say that it would have been a whole lot more difficult if we did not have family helping us with the lower rent (we pay 1000.-) etc. We are very thankful!!

Good luck to you IrishAmerican..... ! hope you have a similar situation and that it too will work for you.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Wonderful report! Thank you!

You know, from your first enquiries, I was impressed by the diligence with which you researched everything. And you've been here for such a short time, working your way through all the steps of immigrating, that is sounds like you will definitely make it.

Yes, I think the key is knowing how to live frugally, as you say. Of course, everyone defines that concept differently, and many People wouldn't want to (or perhaps know how to) cut out as many expenses (luxuries) as you will. Well done, you seem to have figured it out in terms that work for you. I admire your - and your husband's - determination, and thank you very much for setting out how you've done it.
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