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Old 22.05.2015, 08:45
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

She is NOT a "i told you so".

No malice intended to all the posters who were pessimistic - but the point is that maybe one should have the guts to dream at any age.

In my own case i moved here with (now ex) wife and kids at age 45, am still struggling to get my business to break even - leave alone make profits - something which i had not 'planned for'. However, perhaps fortune does favor the brave, and some of my investments back home panned out way beyond expectations, and so... I continue to survive in this lovely country.
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She is NOT a "i told you so".

No malice intended to all the posters who were pessimistic - but the point is that maybe one should have the guts to dream at any age.

In my own case i moved here with (now ex) wife and kids at age 45, am still struggling to get my business to break even - leave alone make profits - something which i had not 'planned for'. However, perhaps fortune does favor the brave, and some of my investments back home panned out way beyond expectations, and so... I continue to survive in this lovely country.
There is a difference between pessimism and realism. I am delighted the OP managed to do it, but the fact is that it is an exception and not the rule, and people should prepare for the worst case scenario rather than blindly run in to an expensive country that does not welcome the unemployed.
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Old 22.05.2015, 10:08
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She is NOT a "i told you so".

No malice intended to all the posters who were pessimistic - but the point is that maybe one should have the guts to dream at any age.

In my own case i moved here with (now ex) wife and kids at age 45, am still struggling to get my business to break even - leave alone make profits - something which i had not 'planned for'. However, perhaps fortune does favor the brave, and some of my investments back home panned out way beyond expectations, and so... I continue to survive in this lovely country.
Absolutely, but don't underestimate the fact that OP has relatives here who helped her re. housing and job. Not to mention she speaks the lingo.
I'd be sad to know that there are people willing to sell everything "back home" so they can start a new life in one of the most expensive and competitive countries based on a success story they read on EF...
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Absolutely, but don't underestimate the fact that OP has relatives here who helped her re. housing and job. Not to mention she speaks the lingo.
I'd be sad to know that there are people willing to sell everything "back home" so they can start a new life in one of the most expensive and competitive countries based on a success story they read on EF...
Expensive, competitive, beautiful, safe, and with a stellar quality of life. There are a lot of things to want to give things up for here in search of your dream place to live.
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Old 22.05.2015, 10:20
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

I agree with the 'need to be prudent' part. That said, I believe in the 'must dream' part in at least equal meassure.

But, in the immortal words of Q "Never let them see you bleed and always have an escape route"
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Old 22.05.2015, 10:27
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Agree. But, at the risk of sounding like a fatalist, disaster can strike a persons life in more ways than one. Calamities like the Neapal earthquake apart, I remember a few posts on here where the posters were staring at bankruptcy when SNB removed the peg. Their 'secure, comfortable etc etc lives were torn asunder overnight.
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Expensive, competitive, beautiful, safe, and with a stellar quality of life. There are a lot of things to want to give things up for here in search of your dream place to live.
Spot on !!!
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Kiwi2Swiss had a dream, yes, and she and her husband have shown great determination. Over and over again, she checked her ideas against the systems here.
I think a lesson others could learn from Kiwi2Swiss is that she has worked hard to understand the reality, the hard facts, the way things really work here.

From everything she has posted, it seems to me that Kiwi2Swiss is well aware that certain factors have helped her dream come true, some of which are "just luck" and others of which come from plain hard work, and from her chosen personal attitude:
a) being Swiss
b) speaking German (and her husband willing to improve his beginner German)
c) having starter-help from her relations (with accommodation and connections for finding work)
d) arriving with at least a bit of savings on the side to tide them over
e) a willingness to do any kind of work, also menial tasks
f) an acceptance that she and her husband will live as frugally as possible
g) knowledge that, if all fails, she could either go onto Swiss social security, or return to New Zealand where her husband has citizenship.
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I agree with the 'need to be prudent' part. That said, I believe in the 'must dream' part in at least equal meassure.

But, in the immortal words of Q "Never let them see you bleed and always have an escape route"
That being said, I also have to add that I'm glad for OP.

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Expensive, competitive, beautiful, safe, and with a stellar quality of life. There are a lot of things to want to give things up for here in search of your dream place to live.
Can't really argue with that.
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Old 22.05.2015, 23:28
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d) arriving with at least a bit of savings on the side to tide them over
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Old fashioned formula - still works as well. Times change.. people change.. or do they?
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Old fashioned formula - still works as well. Times change.. people change.. or do they?
I think societies change, and with them, at least some people's aspirations. Anyone considering immigrating 100 years ago would have had some completely different hopes and needs about, say, technology, and yet would still have needed to learn about how to buy (or grow, or barter for) appropriate food. Some who immigrate now feel an immediate need to know where the nearest nail studio or hairdresser is, or the golf club. For others, these are clearly luxury items.

Yes, I also think individuals change over the decades. A student move, half-a-dozen mates working through the night to get all those boxes shifted... could seem reasonable when young and feel out of the question later. Or, after a busy and successful career, downsizing could hold a genuine appeal.

What encouraged me about Kiwi2Swiss's approach is that she and her husband seemed to have clear ideas about the many compromises they would have to make, what they were prepared to change in themselves and their expectations. And then she went about mapping these against reality, to see if they had a good match.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Hello All,

Doropfiz and Banadol have encouraged me to post an update on our situation since we have arrived in Switzerland.

Well, it has been an amazing year. End of this month will mark a whole year of us living in Switzerland, how time flies!

My husband and I arrived end of Feb 15. We were able to stay with my cousin and her husband for 6 months, which has not always been easy, but we were so very, very greateful, as it allowed us to just worry about work and getting the things done that needed doing, like finding work.

My husband found a job and started work withing a week and I had secured myself a job within two weeks, but was not able to start until June 1st. My husband found a job through the St.Galler Bauer and is now working on a building site where he has helped to build a 3 story apartement building. He has gained many new skills and has enjoyed the variety of work. He is earning 22.- Fr./hr brutto. This means that he does not get holidays, but gets the 8.33% paid out in his wage.

I am working 80% and due to my not having any īproperī qualifications I too am on minimum wage, but both my husband and I were expecting that, so it is fine with us and we are coping perfectly well with it.

We are both somewhat surprised at the expectations of the employers to put work first at all times. To some degree we were prepared that working in Switzerland was going to be different, but I did not expect this. I will admit that I find that quite challenging at times. However, maybe that is just the field of work we are in?

My husband was only guaranteed work for a year, so his time of having to find new work is coming up. We are in the process for applying to jobs again and we are hoping to find something again, soon. My husband will take any job on again, but would be quite keen to give farming a go again. We shall see what comes....

It has been interesting and frustrating at the same time to get used to Swiss
bureaucracy, but I guess you get used to that.

I cannot think of anything that we regret. That is not to say that it has been smooth sailing at all times.

I will say though, that things would have been so much more difficult and challenging if I did not have the advice from my family, in particular in regards to how things work here, i.e bureaucracy etc.

Would I do this without having family here in Switzerland? I am not sure if I would have had the courage to try.

Thanks to all of you for your input when I first posted on here, it was important for me to have as much info as possible.

Regards to you all
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Thanks for the update, Kiwi2Swiss. Glad to hear that you have settled in, I admire your spirit!
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OP, what shines through all your posts is optimism, and then contentment and happiness with the way your life has turned out. You inspire me. I am on a higher wage than you and sometimes complain about my lot. I shall think of you and try to radiate happiness, because, after all, I am actually very happy.
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Thanks Marsalforn, thats nice of you to say. I do try and see the positive in everything and am thankful for all we have. Occasionally reality will catch up with me , but most of the time, I can put it in its place again.

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Thanks Marsalforn, thats nice of you to say. I do try and see the positive in everything and am thankful for all we have. Occasionally reality will catch up with me , but most of the time, I can put it in its place again.

Best wishes to all
Kiwi2Swiss, I have been following your story with great interest, it is truly inspiring. Yes, one needs to be realistic about expectations (which you have been throughout the process), but the world can really use some positive, optimistic people with all the negativity around!

Continued good luck to you and your family!

P.S. One of my colleagues took a 3-month leave from work and went to tour New Zealand in a van with his wife. The pictures (and the tales) they came back with are breathtaking!
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

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I am thinking to move to Switzerland mostly like French speaking areas, I am qualified CPCS Tower Crane Operator including Saddle, Pedestrian, Luffer cranes, Also Slinger/Signaller, Crane Lift Supervisor, Appointed Person, SSSTS Site Supervisor, Level3 Certificate in assessing vocational achievement (NVQ Assessor & Quality control). This is the thing I was thinking to move long ago but now with the UK living the EU and ruining the country I am 100% committed to move before inflation start, I would appreciate if any one can tell me how to get my qualifications exchanged or done is Switzerland, Thanks
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I am thinking to move to Switzerland mostly like French speaking areas, I am qualified CPCS Tower Crane Operator including Saddle, Pedestrian, Luffer cranes, Also Slinger/Signaller, Crane Lift Supervisor, Appointed Person, SSSTS Site Supervisor, Level3 Certificate in assessing vocational achievement (NVQ Assessor & Quality control). This is the thing I was thinking to move long ago but now with the UK living the EU and ruining the country I am 100% committed to move before inflation start, I would appreciate if any one can tell me how to get my qualifications exchanged or done is Switzerland, Thanks
Don't know if they need recognising, but enquire here to find out for sure:

State Secretariat for Education, Research and Innovation SERI
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T +41 58 462 28 26 (Monday-Friday from 9.30 a.m. to 11.30 a.m. and Tuesday and Thursday afternoon from 2.00 p.m. to 4.00 p.m.)
F +41 58 464 92 47
kontaktstelle@sbfi.admin.ch

However, as stated two years ago when you first asked, not speaking French is going to be your main problem with finding work here. Until you address that issue, you'd struggle. And you've known this for two years so have you taken any language courses to improve your chances?
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I am thinking to move to Switzerland mostly like French speaking areas, I am qualified CPCS Tower Crane Operator including Saddle, Pedestrian, Luffer cranes, Also Slinger/Signaller, Crane Lift Supervisor, Appointed Person, SSSTS Site Supervisor, Level3 Certificate in assessing vocational achievement (NVQ Assessor & Quality control). This is the thing I was thinking to move long ago but now with the UK living the EU and ruining the country I am 100% committed to move before inflation start, I would appreciate if any one can tell me how to get my qualifications exchanged or done is Switzerland, Thanks
I have no idea what any of that means, but based on your questions years ago, I'm assuming it has something to do with construction.

Without speaking the local language at least to a certain level, you will not find a job in construction. Simply cause you won't be able to converse with anyone or understand even the most basic instructions.

And also, instead of running scared because of some vote that may or may not lead to anything, why not chill for a second. It's not like Switzerland is widely opening its doors for just about anyone and it's not like it's oh-so-supereasy for everyone no matter their background to come here and do as they like. You don't have an unlimited right to just move here and take it from there. Not to mention the financial aspects.

Do some proper research first.
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I've just found this, which - although last updated in 2018 - seems to contain a great deal of useful information. Disclaimer: I don't know the author, but the document seems well structured.

Info for non local-language Jobseekers in Switzerland
http://englishjobswitzerland.com/wp-...guide_v1.1.pdf
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