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Kiwi2Swiss 08.10.2014 12:20

where to look for jobs with no job qualifications
 
Hi there,

I am so glad to have stumbled across this site and am so hopeful that we can get some help from some of you here.
I was born in NZ, was raised in Ch until 19 years of age and then I moved to NZ again. I bought my husband over to Ch with me and we got married, had twins here and after 2 1/2 years moved back to NZ, where we have been now for 23 years. After returning to Ch for a holiday a few months ago, I came back to my husband and said that I would love to move back to Ch again. To my surprise he was all for it and we are now in the process of selling our house and then we hope to move to Ch by the end of January (if the house sells).
Here is our problem, neither of us have got qualifications that count in Ch. My husband has been an orchard manager for the last 8 years and I have been home with the children, but in the last two years I have been self employed as a cleaner.
I have spent hours and hours looking on job sites to see what kind of jobs there are available, but they all want qualifications. I do have some family in Ch, but most of them are pensioned and not in the work force anymore, so don't have many contacts anymore.
Both my husband and I are willing to give most jobs a go.
We would really appreciate some advice from you all, as I have to admit that I am starting to worry about not finding work when we get there.
We look forward to reading your posts. Many, many thanks in advance!!

Chuff 08.10.2014 12:34

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Maybe look for more cleaning work...? Without qualifications or german language ability, your choices will be severely limited.

Seems a bit hasty, possibly even slightly foolish, to up and sell your house to come and live in a much more expensive country, when you don't even know what employment opportunities there are... I just hope you have good savings, and don't mind using most of them.

If I lived in NZ and owned my own house, and was in or approaching middle-age age, I think the last thing on my mind would be moving to Switzerland without a job where I would then be paying a ton of money for rent, a ton of money if I wanted to buy somewhere, and a ton of money for cost of living and eating out. At your stage in life, it seems like it could be a bit of a backwards step in preparing for your retirement/dotage.

Medea Fleecestealer 08.10.2014 12:43

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If your husband doesn't speak a Swiss language he's going to struggle to find any work as he needs to understand what he's being told to do, written instructions, etc.

I'm sorry to say that I agree with Richdog, this is a hasty decision and one that's likely to end badly. Stay where you are and enjoy holidays here.

Kiwi2Swiss 08.10.2014 12:43

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I can see that one could think that and I respect your opinion.
We have the opinion that since we are not expecting any special jobs and are willing to give anything a hand, that we should be able to find work eventually, we just hoped that we could find some while still here, so we could 'walk into a job'.
As our children have all grown up and long left home, we decided this would be our opportunity to do something that we would enjoy, so the plan was to work hard and on the days off, we would take advantage of all the lovely things that Switzerland has to offer. Then after about 5 years, we might return to NZ again, all depending on how things go. If we like it and all is going well, we would stay on, or else we return.
We are hopeful that things will work out and if they don't, well then we will deal with that too, but we want to at least give it a go.

Chuff 08.10.2014 12:46

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Originally Posted by Kiwi2Swiss (Post 2255186)
We have the opinion that since we are not expecting any special jobs and are willing to give anything a hand, that we should be able to find work eventually, we just hoped that we could find some while still here, so we could 'walk into a job'.

If you thought you could "walk into a job" in probably one of the toughest and most competitive job markets in Europe, especially for unskilled labour where people are clamouring to find work and most speak the native language, then certainly the term "a little foolish" certainly applies. I'm not saying it's impossible, but your expectations need to be a little more grounded and realistic. :)

skallywag 08.10.2014 12:55

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Also depends where you plan to live? You might have better chance with seasonal work in the french speaking part, in the summer there is agricultural work, in the winter ski resorts often take staff for cleaning/hosting/bar work

don't plan on living anywhere near the lake of Zurich or Geneva unless you want to pay double the price of any other canton.

Medea Fleecestealer 08.10.2014 13:41

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There's no way your husband is going to walk into any job before you move. As a non-EU national he's last on the list of people to be considered for employment here, those ahead of him being Swiss/EU nationals and anyone else who already has a permit to live/work here. So you can forget that. The fact that he's married to a Swiss national means nothing until you actually move here. Only then will he be granted a 1-year B permit as your dependent and could then start to look for work.

Neither cleaning nor gardening/agricultural work is going to pay many bills here so you're going to be looking at either subsistance living on two meager salaries or dipping into your savings/house sale money.

slammer 08.10.2014 13:56

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Agree with all above and then some, please, pretty, pretty please donīt become a "we told you so" because that is what is gonna happen. Come for a holiday first and take a look how even the highly skilled unemployed are treated.

kt22 08.10.2014 14:19

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you can take a look at jobs.ch or any other website but like you already discovered.. only on highly qualified jobs you could survive with english only.
The situation is really not easy. You do need the language.
Maybe your husband could do some german courses before coming (i recommend that because they are going to be more expensive here and you could do it in NZ while working and in your own house). Or french.. I don't know where you are planning on going.
The idea of coming and the adventure is good but i would take a little more time to come prepared.
I have here many european friends with qualifications that still can't find a job because they can't speak the language. And they will have to return to their countries soon because you can only extend the L permit (european working for job in Ch) up to 6 months.
Hope it works better for you
Good luck!

Principia Discordia 08.10.2014 14:20

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What's with all the negativity and naysaying?

They're adults. They have no dependent children. They would like to give it a try and if it doesn't work they'll go back. I think a couple with grown children are responsible and smart enough to know what their finances will and will not allow. What's the problem?

I found myself in the same situation as them ten years ago. I sold everything and moved here, knowing that if didn't work out I could head back. It worked out just fine. (quite a bit better than just "fine", actually)

You only live once.

Chuff 08.10.2014 14:32

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Originally Posted by Principia Discordia (Post 2255253)
What's with all the negativity and naysaying?

They're adults. They have no dependent children. They would like to give it a try and if it doesn't work they'll go back. I think a couple with grown children are responsible and smart enough to know what their finances will and will not allow. What's the problem?

I found myself in the same situation as them ten years ago. I sold everything and moved here, knowing that if didn't work out I could head back. It worked out just fine. (quite a bit better than just "fine", actually)

You only live once.

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Originally Posted by Kiwi2Swiss (Post 2255170)
We would really appreciate some advice from you all, as I have to admit that I am starting to worry about not finding work when we get there.

Forgive me for intruding on your "It worked for me 10 years ago so it must work for everyone now" fantasies, but some of us are realists and give advice based on more likely scenarios.

Principia Discordia 08.10.2014 14:45

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 2255266)
Forgive me for intruding on your "It worked for me 10 years ago so it must work for everyone now" fantasies, but some of us are realists.

I didn't say it would work for everyone, nor did I imply it.

And why is everyone assuming she doesn't speak german? Unless I'm missing something she lived in Switzerland for 19 years. I don't think she'll have any problem finding an "average" job, her husband will likely have more difficult time.

banadol 08.10.2014 14:47

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Originally Posted by Principia Discordia (Post 2255253)
What's with all the negativity and naysaying?

They're adults. They have no dependent children. They would like to give it a try and if it doesn't work they'll go back. I think a couple with grown children are responsible and smart enough to know what their finances will and will not allow. What's the problem?

I found myself in the same situation as them ten years ago. I sold everything and moved here, knowing that if didn't work out I could head back. It worked out just fine. (quite a bit better than just "fine", actually)

You only live once.

totally agree! go for the ski resorts, etc. they often have jobs going for nz go-getters that won't be advertised in the papers. plenty of cleaning jobs too. why not look at setting up your own cleaning agency or apply for a job through one? i can recommend haushaltshilfen24 as customer and our cleaner is very happy with them as an employer.

talk to the swiss embassy in wellington, they are very helpful.

i know people here with a similar setup and they also make a living on jobs as labourers. you might not go on holiday twice a year overseas as some people here are used to but as you say, you can just enjoy the local stuff and if it doesn't work in the end you can always move back.

good on you and go for it!

SoftBedPlease 08.10.2014 14:49

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Originally Posted by Principia Discordia (Post 2255253)
What's with all the negativity and naysaying?

They're adults. They have no dependent children. They would like to give it a try and if it doesn't work they'll go back. I think a couple with grown children are responsible and smart enough to know what their finances will and will not allow. What's the problem?

I found myself in the same situation as them ten years ago. I sold everything and moved here, knowing that if didn't work out I could head back. It worked out just fine. (quite a bit better than just "fine", actually)

You only live once.

So..... what advice would you give to Kiwi2Swiss, then?

I think I would struggle a lot here without knowing one of the national languages. Just looking around, the only jobs I can think of where English only may be acceptable is a job like mine, which is in academia (which needs a formal qualification).

I guess the only other one is English teacher / tutor, in a private capacity. And possibly babysitting / au pairing and the like. Or if you open your own restaurant (international flavour), though you would need the assistance of someone to help you cut through the legal mumbo-jumbo etc., which of course would be in the local language.

Cleaners here, from what I could tell, speak the local language, and usually are not fluent at all in English anyway!

Putting aside the issue of language fluency, I'm not sure what the job market is like for people with no formal qualifications, but as others have said that people who are Swiss citizens and EU/EEA are prioritised.

Principia Discordia 08.10.2014 14:51

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Originally Posted by SoftBedPlease (Post 2255291)
So..... what advice would you give to Kiwi2Swiss, then?

I think I would struggle a lot here without knowing one of the national languages. Just looking around, the only jobs I can think of where English only may be acceptable is a job like mine, which is in academia (which needs a formal qualification).

I guess the only other one is English teacher / tutor, in a private capacity. And possibly babysitting / au pairing and the like. Or if you open your own restaurant (international flavour), though you would need the assistance of someone to help you cut through the legal mumbo-jumbo etc., which of course would be in the local language.

Cleaners here, from what I could tell, speak the local language, and usually are not fluent at all in English anyway!

Putting aside the issue of language fluency, I'm not sure what the job market is like for people with no formal qualifications, but as others have said that people who are Swiss citizens and EU/EEA are prioritised.

Again, what did I miss? If I read correctly she lived in Switzerland for 19 years. I'm sure she knows a national language...

SoftBedPlease 08.10.2014 14:52

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Originally Posted by Principia Discordia (Post 2255292)
Again, what did I miss? If I read correctly she lived in Switzerland for 19 years. I'm sure she knows a national language...

OK that means at least she is in the clear on one of those fronts. Now for the job with no qualifications part.....

Is it a big effort in CH to set up your own small / casual business? For example, cleaning services, small catering etc. That could be an idea.

Chuff 08.10.2014 14:53

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Originally Posted by Principia Discordia (Post 2255287)
I didn't say it would work for everyone, nor did I imply it.

And why is everyone assuming she doesn't speak german? Unless I'm missing something she lived in Switzerland for 19 years. I don't think she'll have any problem finding an "average" job, her husband will likely have more difficult time.

Because she doesn't say that she or her husband speaks German. :confused:

Principia Discordia 08.10.2014 14:55

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 2255297)
Because she doesn't say that she or her husband speaks German. :confused:

She said she was raised in Switzerland until the age of 19. If that's the case it isn't humanly possible that she doesn't speak one of the languages.
I'll see your :confused: and raise you a :confused::confused:. ;)

banadol 08.10.2014 15:02

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there is a construction boom in some parts of switzerland at the moment, so again that means jobs and many will not require you to speak a lot of german, just have the right attitude.

good luck!

greenmount 08.10.2014 15:12

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Originally Posted by banadol (Post 2255302)
there is a construction boom in some parts of switzerland at the moment, so again that means jobs and many will not require you to speak a lot of german, just have the right attitude.

good luck!

Knowledge of Italian, Portuguese or at least Spanish would be a big plus...

Seriously, there is a fierce competition on this kind of jobs and it is not only the locals they would have to compete with. I find OPs decision to sell their house/everything in order to move here without having anything (what about the place they will live, do they know how difficult is to be accepted by owners here?) set up in advance... very imprudent. :(
This is what I would tell to any of my friends if they would ask and if they were in the same position.

banadol 08.10.2014 15:37

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lots of people here like the NZ connection, even landlords. we have had people even offer us apartments because NZ was their dream destination - no kidding! people sell up their house and move in NZ all the time. If you are lucky you can sell or buy a house literally in an afternoon. Why not squeeze in a Swiss experience in between house purchases :D?

Samaire13 08.10.2014 15:57

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Originally Posted by Principia Discordia (Post 2255300)
She said she was raised in Switzerland until the age of 19. If that's the case it isn't humanly possible that she doesn't speak one of the languages.

Might wanna listen to Arnold Schwarzenegger speaking German... 20+ years abroad and you'd be surprised how easy it is to forget one's own native tongue.




OP, I'm sorry I have to agree with most others here. There are a few aspects you need to consider: Switzerland has an extremely competitive labor market with very few low-skill jobs. Without qualification and without very solid knowledge of a local language, you will struggle badly in finding anything - that's true for both you and your husband. On top of that, the market is slow in Switzerland - even high-skilled, experienced people, Swiss or non-Swiss, often struggle to find jobs and it's not uncommon to spend 4, 6, 8 months looking for a new position.

This is also pretty much the most expensive country in the world, you need enough fundings to get you by at least 6 months - frankly in your case I'd say rather 12.

You should be able to find work as a cleaner, but note that two people surviving on one cleaner's income will be awfully difficult. You'd be able to buy the mere necessities, but that will be it.

Also, do you even still have a Swiss passport? If neither of you is a Swiss citizen, you can basically forget the whole idea anyway as there's zero way you'll find a job. Sorry, I really don't mean to discourage you and I don't want to be mean either, but you need to be very realistic here...

crazykittylady 08.10.2014 16:11

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Originally Posted by Samaire13 (Post 2255334)
Might wanna listen to Arnold Schwarzenegger speaking German... 20+ years abroad and you'd be surprised how easy it is to forget one's own native tongue.

I haven't been to my "home" country in 29 years and I am still quite fluent in both my mother tongues. I think forgetting your first language is just laziness.

SoftBedPlease 08.10.2014 16:18

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Originally Posted by crazykittylady (Post 2255347)
I haven't been to my "home" country in 29 years and I am still quite fluent in both my mother tongues. I think forgetting your first language is just laziness.

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Originally Posted by Samaire13 (Post 2255334)
Might wanna listen to Arnold Schwarzenegger speaking German... 20+ years abroad and you'd be surprised how easy it is to forget one's own native tongue.

Not sure if Arnold S is good example to uphold as far as the effect of moving away from your mother country is concerned.

Mind, his English must be good (or good enough), but if his goal was to really sound American, it's highly debatable whether he has achieved that either.


My mother tongue is English. Can't see myself forgetting that any time soon. :) (Of course, living in Switzerland for greater than 3 years will be a greater challenge in itself).

greenmount 08.10.2014 16:25

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Originally Posted by crazykittylady (Post 2255347)
I haven't been to my "home" country in 29 years and I am still quite fluent in both my mother tongues. I think forgetting your first language is just laziness.

How really fluent? I speak German and English on a daily basis and believe me I have moments when I can't find the right word in my mother tongue and use pathetic substitutes instead. No, you don't forget but it could sound awkward sometimes. On the other hand, you'll be most probably better at that language than a non-native speaker anyway. I am thinking of Swiss German here. ;)

Samaire13 08.10.2014 16:38

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Originally Posted by crazykittylady (Post 2255347)
I haven't been to my "home" country in 29 years and I am still quite fluent in both my mother tongues. I think forgetting your first language is just laziness.

Good for you, honestly. However, what is true for you isn't true for others. It also doesn't matter WHY someone forgets his own language after a while. A fact is that many indeed do.

So just because she's lived her for a few years as a teen some 25 years ago doesn't automatically mean she still speaks German fluently. It doesn't even mean that she still understands or speaks any of it.

But that's not really the point here.

Chuff 08.10.2014 16:55

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Originally Posted by Principia Discordia (Post 2255300)
She said she was raised in Switzerland until the age of 19. If that's the case it isn't humanly possible that she doesn't speak one of the languages.
I'll see your :confused: and raise you a :confused::confused:. ;)

It's not just her, but her husband also... my post was trying to take both of them into account. I'm sure she speaks a native tounge, but over 20 years away speaking another language, and lack of regular practise can easily blunt it. And it's not even certain if where they want to move is the language region she grew up... she simply hasn't given those details.

M_McPoyle 08.10.2014 19:13

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Originally Posted by Principia Discordia (Post 2255253)
What's with all the negativity and naysaying?

They're adults. They have no dependent children. They would like to give it a try and if it doesn't work they'll go back. I think a couple with grown children are responsible and smart enough to know what their finances will and will not allow. What's the problem?

I found myself in the same situation as them ten years ago. I sold everything and moved here, knowing that if didn't work out I could head back. It worked out just fine. (quite a bit better than just "fine", actually)

You only live once.

I say so long as she is asking, getting "negative" opinions is a good thing. This is a huge life decision and I think we can all agree that there is more than a shadow of a chance at least one of them will face a few hurdles in job-finding.

If the OP can take on-board the most critical, naysaying advice here and accept it as at least a possibility, then she will be all the more prepared should the ride not be easy. I myself would rather know if I have a bumpy road ahead. And just to throw one more cliche in there, it is always good to plan for the worst, even if one expects the best.

I love a good adventure so I hope for the best for her an her husband. Good luck!!

slammer 08.10.2014 20:09

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Originally Posted by banadol (Post 2255302)
there is a construction boom in some parts of switzerland at the moment, so again that means jobs and many will not require you to speak a lot of german, just have the right attitude.

good luck!

Truuuue, but arnīt those jobs earmarked for half of Spainīs unemployed?
Jeez, we realy need a decent war again to get the Job/jobseeker ratio back into balance.

Phos 08.10.2014 20:30

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Originally Posted by Kiwi2Swiss (Post 2255170)
Hi there,

Both my husband and I are willing to give most jobs a go.

Very tough, but not impossible. It may take you time, but if you don't have a big ego, Switzerland takes on a large number of asylum seekers per year, and eventually get jobs for them. You'd have to really humble yourself, and if you really prove yourself, its not inconceivable for you to get a real job.

Maybe we should kick out a few foreigners to make room for you.

Good luck!

Kiwi2Swiss 08.10.2014 20:43

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Thank you for all your replies and especially to those that are at least a little bit positive.

Just to clarify , yes, I speak fluent Swiss German as I was raised and schooled there. My father is Swiss, my mother is Kiwi, so I am fluent in both languages.
My husband has worked in CH for 2 1/2 years in Buehler and he did attend a German course for 6 months when we first arrived in CH. He can still communicate in German now, although he is a bit rusty.

We will be living in the Kanton St.Gallen area, where I grew up and most of my family is.
Living in NZ we have lived off of the smell of an oily rag and thus living on two low wages doesn't phase us. I don't know why people keep saying CH is so expensive, we pay the same here in NZ that you pay for your food over there, also about the same for rent, clothes, cars etc, but we earn about a fifth here in wages. Every time I would go and visit my family in CH I took home receipts, catalogues and whatever else I could find to take home and look at everything. We aren't wanting to go to CH for luxury, just to enjoy a bit of Switzerland when and as we can.

Thanks for some of your suggestions, we will look into them further.
Much appreciated.

banadol 08.10.2014 21:15

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Feel free to PM me if you feel like it. We moved from NZ 5 years ago, didn't bring much in way of furniture, had a fab moving company, I have made the move a few times, like yourself, and feel itchy feet should be scratched ;). More than happy to share any tips and contacts.

To all you naysayers out there, have you all been switzerlanded? half of EF wouldn't be here if we had that attitude!:D

Sbrinz 08.10.2014 21:26

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I believe what you are trying to do is almost impossible. 10 years ago I was unemployed for 2 years, followed by 2 years on social security. I do know the impossibilities of finding work when you are over 60 years of age. And I can work in both German and French speaking areas, I have certificates to prove I did, successfully, for 17 years.

We are surrounded by EU countries, most of which have heavy unemployment and stagnation. The younger EU people arrived here years ago and have managed to find a way of life, taking up the cheaper unskilled / semi skilled jobs. Many have retired and returned to their home countries. There is no minimum wage here, no free health insurance, the apartment rental here is higher than in Germany or France. With one adult cleaning wage you will barely survive here, it won't be the promised land.

The Swiss unemployment figures, about 3%, are deceptive. Once you have used up your unemployment credit, after about 18 months, you are no longer an unemployed statistic - you are now a social security statistic. So the figures look good, on paper!

The good news is the Swiss government will give you a lot of support as you are a returning citizen. Please ask the Swiss embassy in NZ.

The best idea so far is to cancel the sale of your home, and come here for a long holiday, maybe staying with your relatives. During this time try and find work. If you do, you can stay here, if not you can go back to NZ with not too many loss of assets.

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Phos 08.10.2014 21:33

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Originally Posted by Sbrinz (Post 2255615)
I believe what you are trying to do is almost impossible.
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Can you please explain to OP how is it that Switzerland can take in refugees and asylum seekers, provide financial aid, job placement, yet she cannot?

Rangatiranui 08.10.2014 21:35

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Originally Posted by Kiwi2Swiss (Post 2255186)
......but we want to at least give it a go.

What she said.

If you have a Swiss residency of sorts, and language skills, there will always be work.

I am sure that you have had a look through Jobs.ch.. I have found manpower.ch to be the best website to show you how to present your CV in this land.

Assuming that you wish to get a regular job. Which I suspect you don't.

I am thinking what would suit you is to run a youth hostel in the mountains, as you sound like hard workers.

Here is a cleaning job in the mountains:
http://waldhaus-flims.ch/de/footerna...detail?id=3094

or try this:
http://www.hotelcareer.ch/

more:
http://www.hotelcareer.ch/jobs/hotelierverein-zermatt

There are few Orchards here, though a number of large farms with vegetables. No idea on that one, but I am sure he is flexible.

banadol 08.10.2014 21:42

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There are a few local kiwis in Flims even :msncool:.

Kiwi2Swiss 08.10.2014 22:25

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Thank you for those links. Yes, a regular job is just fine, any job is fine. And yes, my husband and I are very hard workers and we pride ourselves on that. And my husband would happily work on a farm with vegetables, he is quite passionate about gardening anyway. Thanks again.
Oh and I am a Swiss citizen, so at least for me we don't have to worry about any permits etc.

Kiwi2Swiss 08.10.2014 22:54

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Originally Posted by Phos (Post 2255624)
Can you please explain to OP how is it that Switzerland can take in refugees and asylum seekers, provide financial aid, job placement, yet she cannot?

We were thinking along the same lines. We were thinking if asylum seekers and other immigrants that have little to no skills can find work, that surely we should be able to. I am not too proud to be a cleaner, I take pride in doing whatever I do to my best ability, I consider myself a bit of a perfectionist, so whomever I clean for, they get a great job done. Hey, without cleaners in hotels, restaurants, streets etc, it would soon become very filthy and people wouldn't be happy about that either, would they, so I am all good about being 'just a cleaner'. However, maybe I will end up working in a place like Migros, Coop, Manor etc, and I would be happy doing that too. I can do anything if given the chance, other than be a doctor or a lawyer etc, those may be out of my reach :msntongue: lol.
And my husband is one of the most loyal workers I know. Like I said, he is an orchard manager and has great leadership skills, is very organized and would do well pretty much anywhere too if given a chance. We know that he will have to spruce up his Swiss German/German, but he will be ok. We will make it work! Neither of us is under the illusion that it will be easy or that we are entering the land of milk and honey, we will work hard and we will get by with whatever comes our way.
If there are other Kiwis on this forum, we would love to hear from you and maybe you can share what moving companies you used etc. Not that we are wanting to bring everything with us, but a few things would be great.
Please keep your thoughts and suggestions coming, we are realistic people and will take on board what you are saying, but we are not quitters and we will make it work!

Sbrinz 08.10.2014 23:14

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Two days ago there was an asylum seeker here looking for B&B at under Fr 35,- per night, he had to leave the hostel, and would be paid this allowance. For the past 10 years he has not been sleeping in his own room, he was looking forward to that luxury.

Whether asylum seekers get proper jobs is a mute point: maybe some dish washing and train cleaning at night, with wages subsidised by the government. But these jobs are not available to the public.

I am trying to suggest to you that the future will not be at all rosy, and I worry that your capital will be eaten up with living expenses, as the Gemeinde will only pay social security when you are down to your last Fr 10'000.

Kiwi2Swiss 08.10.2014 23:37

Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications
 
As I said, we don't believe that it will be all rosie, we know we will have challenges, probably a lot of them. And we won't allow it to eat up all our capital, if it doesn't work, we will return to NZ. We are going to be selling our lifestyle property anyway, we are not just doing that because of CH. I sure hope that we can prove you wrong,:msngrin: but if not, then so be it.:msnsad: We will give it a go anyway. :p
We have had enough life experience to make informed decisions, we have the family support over there, i.e. they will keep an eye out for jobs for us too as soon as we know when we are moving. We can stay with them for the first few weeks until we find a job and when that happens we will look for a flat. A cheap one and there are plenty of them out there, we have been looking online.
And if we do end up coming back here, then my husband and I will have taken the opportunity to give it a go and then we will spend a bit of money on a holiday before returning to NZ and we will walk right back into work. My husband is very well respected in the region and get job offers all the time, even though he is not looking. And I will pick up my little cleaning business again and take it from there.
There is much to gain (maybe not money, but experience and family time) and not much to loose, as we are not silly enough to go and waste all our capital away just because we are too proud to admit that it doesn't work.
It will work out, you just watch us go! :D


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