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where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Hi there,

I am so glad to have stumbled across this site and am so hopeful that we can get some help from some of you here.
I was born in NZ, was raised in Ch until 19 years of age and then I moved to NZ again. I bought my husband over to Ch with me and we got married, had twins here and after 2 1/2 years moved back to NZ, where we have been now for 23 years. After returning to Ch for a holiday a few months ago, I came back to my husband and said that I would love to move back to Ch again. To my surprise he was all for it and we are now in the process of selling our house and then we hope to move to Ch by the end of January (if the house sells).
Here is our problem, neither of us have got qualifications that count in Ch. My husband has been an orchard manager for the last 8 years and I have been home with the children, but in the last two years I have been self employed as a cleaner.
I have spent hours and hours looking on job sites to see what kind of jobs there are available, but they all want qualifications. I do have some family in Ch, but most of them are pensioned and not in the work force anymore, so don't have many contacts anymore.
Both my husband and I are willing to give most jobs a go.
We would really appreciate some advice from you all, as I have to admit that I am starting to worry about not finding work when we get there.
We look forward to reading your posts. Many, many thanks in advance!!
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Maybe look for more cleaning work...? Without qualifications or german language ability, your choices will be severely limited.

Seems a bit hasty, possibly even slightly foolish, to up and sell your house to come and live in a much more expensive country, when you don't even know what employment opportunities there are... I just hope you have good savings, and don't mind using most of them.

If I lived in NZ and owned my own house, and was in or approaching middle-age age, I think the last thing on my mind would be moving to Switzerland without a job where I would then be paying a ton of money for rent, a ton of money if I wanted to buy somewhere, and a ton of money for cost of living and eating out. At your stage in life, it seems like it could be a bit of a backwards step in preparing for your retirement/dotage.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

If your husband doesn't speak a Swiss language he's going to struggle to find any work as he needs to understand what he's being told to do, written instructions, etc.

I'm sorry to say that I agree with Richdog, this is a hasty decision and one that's likely to end badly. Stay where you are and enjoy holidays here.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

I can see that one could think that and I respect your opinion.
We have the opinion that since we are not expecting any special jobs and are willing to give anything a hand, that we should be able to find work eventually, we just hoped that we could find some while still here, so we could 'walk into a job'.
As our children have all grown up and long left home, we decided this would be our opportunity to do something that we would enjoy, so the plan was to work hard and on the days off, we would take advantage of all the lovely things that Switzerland has to offer. Then after about 5 years, we might return to NZ again, all depending on how things go. If we like it and all is going well, we would stay on, or else we return.
We are hopeful that things will work out and if they don't, well then we will deal with that too, but we want to at least give it a go.
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We have the opinion that since we are not expecting any special jobs and are willing to give anything a hand, that we should be able to find work eventually, we just hoped that we could find some while still here, so we could 'walk into a job'.
If you thought you could "walk into a job" in probably one of the toughest and most competitive job markets in Europe, especially for unskilled labour where people are clamouring to find work and most speak the native language, then certainly the term "a little foolish" certainly applies. I'm not saying it's impossible, but your expectations need to be a little more grounded and realistic.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Also depends where you plan to live? You might have better chance with seasonal work in the french speaking part, in the summer there is agricultural work, in the winter ski resorts often take staff for cleaning/hosting/bar work

don't plan on living anywhere near the lake of Zurich or Geneva unless you want to pay double the price of any other canton.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

There's no way your husband is going to walk into any job before you move. As a non-EU national he's last on the list of people to be considered for employment here, those ahead of him being Swiss/EU nationals and anyone else who already has a permit to live/work here. So you can forget that. The fact that he's married to a Swiss national means nothing until you actually move here. Only then will he be granted a 1-year B permit as your dependent and could then start to look for work.

Neither cleaning nor gardening/agricultural work is going to pay many bills here so you're going to be looking at either subsistance living on two meager salaries or dipping into your savings/house sale money.
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......but we want to at least give it a go.
What she said.

If you have a Swiss residency of sorts, and language skills, there will always be work.

I am sure that you have had a look through Jobs.ch.. I have found manpower.ch to be the best website to show you how to present your CV in this land.

Assuming that you wish to get a regular job. Which I suspect you don't.

I am thinking what would suit you is to run a youth hostel in the mountains, as you sound like hard workers.

Here is a cleaning job in the mountains:
http://waldhaus-flims.ch/de/footerna...detail?id=3094

or try this:
http://www.hotelcareer.ch/

more:
http://www.hotelcareer.ch/jobs/hotelierverein-zermatt

There are few Orchards here, though a number of large farms with vegetables. No idea on that one, but I am sure he is flexible.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

There are a few local kiwis in Flims even .
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Thank you for those links. Yes, a regular job is just fine, any job is fine. And yes, my husband and I are very hard workers and we pride ourselves on that. And my husband would happily work on a farm with vegetables, he is quite passionate about gardening anyway. Thanks again.
Oh and I am a Swiss citizen, so at least for me we don't have to worry about any permits etc.
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Yes, a regular job is just fine, any job is fine. And yes, my husband and I are very hard workers and we pride ourselves on that.
The problem I see is that even for unskilled work you are going to be the expensive option for any employer - the pension contributions etc are higher for an older person and usually jump considerably once someone reaches 50. At the same time hiring older people to do physically hard work over a younger person is also going to be an issue.

That being the case I would suggest you need to plan for a long period say six months during which neither of you will be drawing a salary...
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Oh and I am a Swiss citizen, so at least for me we don't have to worry about any permits etc.
I didn't read every single post. But now that DB has pointed out you are a Swiss Citizen, of course you can come here anytime you want, and your Gemeinde won't let you starve.

You should also contact your embassy. About 10 years ago, Switzerland offered a repatriation program for Swiss living abroad. I believe they offered financial help in some cases, and even some help in transport. I think you can bring in a container of your belongings duty free, and you can even fit your car in a container. So this was back then, you might want to check on what they offer today.

So come on over. You have every right and privilege to. Not everyone does. Settle in, get a job, then post back here to prove the naysayers wrong. We might even try to figure out how to kick out a few negative foreigners for you. Vote SVP. I'm just joking about voting SVP.
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I can see that one could think that and I respect your opinion.
We have the opinion that since we are not expecting any special jobs and are willing to give anything a hand, that we should be able to find work eventually, we just hoped that we could find some while still here, so we could 'walk into a job'.
As our children have all grown up and long left home, we decided this would be our opportunity to do something that we would enjoy, so the plan was to work hard and on the days off, we would take advantage of all the lovely things that Switzerland has to offer. Then after about 5 years, we might return to NZ again, all depending on how things go. If we like it and all is going well, we would stay on, or else we return.
We are hopeful that things will work out and if they don't, well then we will deal with that too, but we want to at least give it a go.

put it the other way around: hey, i am swiss, i dont speak english. i worked all my life on mountains as guard in a lonely shack. i have no other skills than watching alp goats, but am willing to do anything! i watched lord of the rings and liked the country! i sold all i have, bought the flight ticket already. please help, how can i get a job? no job too little!

what would you reply?
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

flow23, I would say, come on over and we will help you find work, especially since you are willing to give anything a go. My husband is an orchard manager and if he can't give you a job, then he will know somebody that can. Simple.
But I know Switzerland is different and is a whole different kettle of fish, but it was worth me trying and just giving it a go and in my opinion it was worth it. I have met some really nice people here that have extended their hand and have offered help in some way shape or form, how wonderful is that!?
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flow23, I would say, come on over and we will help you find work, especially since you are willing to give anything a go. My husband is an orchard manager and if he can't give you a job, then he will know somebody that can. Simple.
But I know Switzerland is different and is a whole different kettle of fish, but it was worth me trying and just giving it a go and in my opinion it was worth it. I have met some really nice people here that have extended their hand and have offered help in some way shape or form, how wonderful is that!?
i did not read that you have family here, have your network setup. thats a fully different picture then.
still i had a chuckle when i read something about "...competition regulating the market and prices..." if there was a competition, for sure! just this morning there was an article in the papers that the govt might step in to regulate that busses could get in the way of trains/sbb being first choice of public transport and bring its no.1 position out of balance etc. plus try to get some info about EU/CH protectionism... its far away from an open market (yet). good luck.
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put it the other way around: hey, i am swiss, i dont speak english. i worked all my life on mountains as guard in a lonely shack. i have no other skills than watching alp goats, but am willing to do anything! i watched lord of the rings and liked the country! i sold all i have, bought the flight ticket already. please help, how can i get a job? no job too little!

what would you reply?
even though your situation is almost completely unlike the OPs (she speaks the local language, has a swiss passport, has lived here before and does not just have one skill to offer). i would still say go for it as soon as you have secured a work permit. you obviously have to right attitude to make it in NZ since you are willing to give anything a go .
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

I dont know if this would work in your husband's sector, but it does in mine. You choose an employer that you would like to work for, and offer to work for them for nothing whilst you are looking for a job, on the understanding that if they like your work, they will take you on if a job becomes available. Of course, if you get an offer elsewhere, you will leave.

Once you have one foot in the door, and the contacts and experience that come with that, things are easier.

I like your work ethic, and wish you every luck. I look forward to hearing how things turn out for you.

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even though your situation is almost completely unlike the OPs (she speaks the local language, has a swiss passport, has lived here before and does not just have one skill to offer). i would still say go for it as soon as you have secured a work permit. you obviously have to right attitude to make it in NZ since you are willing to give anything a go .
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Hi there,

Both my husband and I are willing to give most jobs a go.
Very tough, but not impossible. It may take you time, but if you don't have a big ego, Switzerland takes on a large number of asylum seekers per year, and eventually get jobs for them. You'd have to really humble yourself, and if you really prove yourself, its not inconceivable for you to get a real job.

Maybe we should kick out a few foreigners to make room for you.

Good luck!
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Good luck with the move. As you can see from here, there are challenges, but you seem mentally prepared for that.

I don't know how well you get on with the family here, but maybe that is something to double-check - a few months living together can make for some frayed nerves.

Good luck!
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