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Salary - Sales manager - 5* hotel - Geneva

Hello everybody,

My girlfriend is having an interview for a sales manager position with a 5* hotel chain in Geneva and she is wondering which number she should ask for if they raise the point during the interview.

Almost 3 years experience as sales specialist for another luxury hotel chain in Mallorca. Some more years of (not extremely related) experience in Brussels in an international organization.

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F&C

PS: we have looked at Glassdoor and many other websites (salary calculators included) so we have an idea, but do not find exactly that position so we base everything in extrapolations...
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Re: Salary - Sales manager - 5* hotel - Geneva

6-7 k is what I would start with
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Use the government calculator, it's the most accurate http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/en/index/themen/03/04/blank/key/lohnstruktur/salarium.html
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Re: Salary - Sales manager - 5* hotel - Geneva

Thanks for your answer Sbrinz. As we said, we tried the calculators, but we do not know if they are accurate for some specific jobs.

Hi, Anthony1406. May I assume that is gross per month with a 13th? Bonuses and other compensations excluded?

Thanks for your quick replies!!!
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Re: Salary - Sales manager - 5* hotel - Geneva

They have offered 4800CHF per month with a 13th salary. I personally think it is pretty low, but I do not work in the sector. Especially because it would mean much less economical power than in Spain with a similar (in fact, slightly inferior) position...

Does anybody have an insider view on this? Numbers would be very much appreciated.

Thanks!
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13 X CHF4800 is very low indeed.
Quite a shame they try to take advantage of your girlfriend.


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it's very average: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_average_wage
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Re: Salary - Sales manager - 5* hotel - Geneva

Let me ask you this: if you had known this was really low, would you have turned down the offer? Did she or did she not?

Assuming she's new here and never had a swiss job before, it could be a good start.
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From someone who worked in hotels for over 10 years; 4800 is quite low but thinking you're going to get 7 grand is overly optimistic as well. Hotels notoriously pay less than most other industries which was one of the main reasons I got out of that business. For someone with 3 years experience I would imagine something around the 5'500 to 6'000 range. Granted, my experience is from Basel, Luzern & Zürich but I can't imagine the Geneva market is all too different.

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PS: we have looked at Glassdoor and many other websites (salary calculators included) so we have an idea, but do not find exactly that position so we base everything in extrapolations...
Your salary will depend on the canton, your qualifications, experience, the size of the company, the number of employees, the job, overseeing employees, male or female, etc etc.

Search the Forum! Simple calculators are not good enough. Use the one I gave you, it IS accurate, everyone says so!
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Re: Salary - Sales manager - 5* hotel - Geneva

Don't accept the 4800 unless it is a possible foot in the door to work her way up the ladder. Or if there is possible bonusses likely

With a BA you are assumed to make more than 5k a month.
The salary you are given is for bar/restaurant manager and is on the lower end.
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Re: Salary - Sales manager - 5* hotel - Geneva

I was a manager in a 4 star plus hotel in zurich ,got 14 payments gross 5400 sfr.(net around 4540 sfr in zurich)
They deduct 210 sfr per month for food and Beverage (if you drink or eat will be your problem, but 3 Times a week zurich geschentzteles or something similar is not my cup of coffee).
In the Hotel industry you got mostly 2 or more nights for free in a partner hotel and special rates for family and friends or for yourself, when you stay abroad.
But you have to work long hours (nobody cares), only results count.
I work now for the university hospital in bale (Basel), got more money, doubled my size of my flat (for around the same money) compared to zurich and work less hours then the job at the hotel.
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Re: Salary - Sales manager - 5* hotel - Geneva

All in all it just feels weird that coming from a (slightly) inferior position in Spain to one of the most expensive hotels in GVA she would not be able to afford the same life quality (regular lifestyle btw: own flat & car, restaurants every now and then, some shopping, some travelling, etc.).

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Let me ask you this: if you had known this was really low, would you have turned down the offer? Did she or did she not?
In my field salaries are very different so I have no idea. She has not turned down anything (there is always time for that), there might be a second interview but they raised already the salary question in the first one.

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From someone who worked in hotels for over 10 years; 4800 is quite low but thinking you're going to get 7 grand is overly optimistic as well. Hotels notoriously pay less than most other industries which was one of the main reasons I got out of that business. For someone with 3 years experience I would imagine something around the 5'500 to 6'000 range. Granted, my experience is from Basel, Luzern & Zürich but I can't imagine the Geneva market is all too different.
Thanks, that is more or less what we wanted to hear.

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Search the Forum! Simple calculators are not good enough. Use the one I gave you, it IS accurate, everyone says so!
Thanks, and as we said at the beginning of the post we did. The numbers that come out are in the order of 7-8k. I just wanted some insider's view to double check...

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With a BA you are assumed to make more than 5k a month.
The salary you are given is for bar/restaurant manager and is on the lower end.
She does have a master's degree although it is not in sales. Nevertheless, sales manager just means she would not be working at an entry level position (they require 3y experience in a similar role).

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I was a manager in a 4 star plus hotel in zurich ,got 14 payments gross 5400 sfr.(net around 4540 sfr in zurich)
That is more in the line of what Downerbuzz said. I think we are getting a better idea now...


Thanks everybody for so many and quick answers! Really! I was not expecting so much help in such a short time!

PS: whoever is in the sector is always welcome to drop a line with more numbers...
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