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Unemployment benefits - Returning to Switzerland

Dear all,

I left Switzerland in March 2014, until then I was working. I lived and worked 3,5 years in the country. Poor me.

Life is funny, and for that reason I logged into this forum again to ask about unemployment benefits. Something I thought would never happen.

Since I left the country I didn't work, instead I took some very long holidays. Very necessary to regain some mental sanity.

Things turned around and now I'm thinking about moving to Switzerland again, this time for a much shorter period I guess.

If I return, will I have access to any unemployment benefits? 7 months have passed since I left the country, for that reason I believe my unemployment benefits would be drastically reduced, worst case scenario, to zero. Still, not sure. Any clue?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Unemployment benefits - Returning to Switzerland

Did you de-register when leaving Switzerland?
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Old 16.10.2014, 09:46
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Re: Unemployment benefits - Returning to Switzerland

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Dear all,

I left Switzerland in March 2014, until then I was working. I lived and worked 3,5 years in the country. Poor me.

Life is funny, and for that reason I logged into this forum again to ask about unemployment benefits. Something I thought would never happen.

Since I left the country I didn't work, instead I took some very long holidays. Very necessary to regain some mental sanity.

Things turned around and now I'm thinking about moving to Switzerland again, this time for a much shorter period I guess.

If I return, will I have access to any unemployment benefits? 7 months have passed since I left the country, for that reason I believe my unemployment benefits would be drastically reduced, worst case scenario, to zero. Still, not sure. Any clue?

Thanks in advance!
I don't think so as you did not open a rahmenfrist at the time. Your insured salary is based on the last 6 months pay, you have had zero pay for 7 months so 70% of zero is zero.

Big question is can you still legally live in Switzerland.
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Old 16.10.2014, 09:53
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Re: Unemployment benefits - Returning to Switzerland

Your skills are in high demand. Why not look for a job?
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Re: Unemployment benefits - Returning to Switzerland

Have asked the same question, when offered to work for the US,


Answer from the RAV was as follows


- Depending on your nationality and work permit, it can be determined if you are eligible for unemployment benefits and for how long, it could be between 260 working days up to 400 working days in a case similar to you (if you give more details to the RAV they will inform you).


- You have 12 months to register to the RAV under the condition that you have a Swiss Legal Resident Permit (I think they accept mainly B or C permits and possibly L is subject to some limited conditions - not sure about this fact)


- Having registered 1 day before the 12 months are passed, you will be entitled to the full benefits you were entitled to as if you registered the first day of unemployment, don't forget the condition that you worked for more than 13 month, and have a Swiss resident permit.


- Having registered after the 12 month passed, you will be entitled to a payment of 90 working days, under the same main conditions which is that you worked formerly more than 13 month and having a Swiss resident permit, here they may add (depending on your canton) a condition of having 24 month of uninterrupted employment.


- Not clearly mentioned in the book, but the RAV representative said, that this 90 days payment is valid if you register within 2 years from your last employment.


In summary, if you have a Swiss resident permit, go ahead and register to your nearest RAV as the process takes some time,


Don't forget that there is what is called "general waiting period" that they don't pay depending on reason for leaving your pervious employment and how big is your salary.


Some important documents you will need from your former employer which is the summary of your last 2 years salary, and payment slips for last year salary and reason for termination of contract.


All the best with your mental and work life
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Re: Unemployment benefits - Returning to Switzerland

Unfortunately, the OP won't have a B permit, only an L as a new jobseeker so may not qualify for RAV. Old permit will have expired by now, if he didn't deregister properly in the first place. If he did, then it's been invalid for months.
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Re: Unemployment benefits - Returning to Switzerland

Metallising is from the EU so should have no problem with coming to look for work. But Chômage just won't be possible as he left without registering.


Hey Metallising- would be really nice to see you again- and if I can help, I'm here. But as far as chômage is concerned- I really don't think it will work. But I can go the chômage office with you and discuss.
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Re: Unemployment benefits - Returning to Switzerland

Dack Rambo, yes, I de-registered in March 2014.

fatmanfilms, why couldn't I live in Switzerland again? I know people who de-registered and then returned after a few months. I don't think it would be a problem to register in the country again.

miniMia, I will, but I don't know how much time it will take to find one. Unemployment benefits would be helpful to pay some expenses during the process of finding a job.

misr, that information is something completely new for me, I'm more familiar with what fatmanfilms wrote: " Your insured salary is based on the last 6 months pay, you have had zero pay for 7 months so 70% of zero is zero."
It seems the info given by you and fatmanfilms is contradictory. Anyway, I de-register from the country, which means I don't have a permit anymore.

Odile, no chômage then? No problem, I know a few shelters in the mountains of Jura. Just to keep the expenses low
You are a very kind woman, if I need any help I will let you know, but more likely I will do it myself. You already helped with your reply.

Thank you all for your replies.
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Dack Rambo, yes, I de-registered in March 2014.

fatmanfilms, why couldn't I live in Switzerland again? I know people who de-registered and then returned after a few months. I don't think it would be a problem to register in the country again.

miniMia, I will, but I don't know how much time it will take to find one. Unemployment benefits would be helpful to pay some expenses during the process of finding a job.

misr, that information is something completely new for me, I'm more familiar with what fatmanfilms wrote: " Your insured salary is based on the last 6 months pay, you have had zero pay for 7 months so 70% of zero is zero."
It seems the info given by you and fatmanfilms is contradictory. Anyway, I de-register from the country, which means I don't have a permit anymore.

Odile, no chômage then? No problem, I know a few shelters in the mountains of Jura. Just to keep the expenses low
You are a very kind woman, if I need any help I will let you know, but more likely I will do it myself. You already helped with your reply.

Thank you all for your replies.
You won't get a B permit, so I think your chance of benefits is roughly zero
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Re: Unemployment benefits - Returning to Switzerland

I won't get a B permit just because I de-register a few months ago, or there is any another reason?
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'B: Initial residence permit
This residence permit is granted to persons who have an unlimited employment relationship or one lasting for at least 12 months. It has a period of validity of five years and will be automatically extended for five years as long as the employment relationship continues. That said, the extension may be limited to one year if the person is unemployed for longer than 12 consecutive months. Persons who settle in the country without gainful employment (provided they have enough financial backing) also receive a B permit.
Persons wishing to be self-employed can get a B permit valid for five years provided they can prove they can make ends meet being self-employed.'


Did you leave your work voluntarily, or were you made redundant? Perhaps the local authorities might be flexible if you can perhaps demonstrate you left for strong family reasons, etc??? Might be worth trying? If you left your job voluntarily, it will be more difficult.

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'B: Initial residence permit
This residence permit is granted to persons who have an unlimited employment relationship or one lasting for at least 12 months. It has a period of validity of five years and will be automatically extended for five years as long as the employment relationship continues. That said, the extension may be limited to one year if the person is unemployed for longer than 12 consecutive months. Persons who settle in the country without gainful employment (provided they have enough financial backing) also receive a B permit.
Persons wishing to be self-employed can get a B permit valid for five years provided they can prove they can make ends meet being self-employed.'


Did you leave your work voluntarily, or were you made redundant? Perhaps the local authorities might be flexible if you can perhaps demonstrate you left for strong family reasons, etc??? Might be worth trying? If you left your job voluntarily, it will be more difficult.
If you definitively leave CH, you have left end of story. You can apply to put a C permit on hold for 6 months. The OP did not do that & has been away for 7 months. Family reasons are not accepted for an extended absence of more than 6 months.
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Re: Unemployment benefits - Returning to Switzerland

Odile, I left my job voluntarily and de-registered from Switzerland to take some time for myself. I don't have a valid reason to justify why I left the country. So, no shortcuts for me I believe.

Apparently I don't have any chance to get my B permit back and ask for unemployment benefits.
However, if I find a job in Switzerland then I can get a new B permit, even if I left the country 7 months ago. Am I right?
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Re: Unemployment benefits - Returning to Switzerland

Yes, shouldn't be a problem if you get a job offer as you're an EU national.
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