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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

Thank you Greenmount. I hear what you say but your supposition only works if someone has only negative experiences to share.


Are you saying that of everyone who would participate?


You have also neglected to mention that the matter of confidentiality is integral to the project so people have a comfort to speak openly and without personal repercussions.
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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

The longer you fail to publicy address the outstanding questions the less likely you are to receive any sort of feedback.
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Thank you Greenmount. I hear what you say but your supposition only works if someone has only negative experiences to share.


Are you saying that of everyone who would participate?


You have also neglected to mention that the matter of confidentiality is integral to the project so people have a comfort to speak openly and without personal repercussions.
Do you know any company that managed to make happy every and each individual? I don't. There's always something besides salary. Bad management for instance.
I think you'll have to struggle to find people that still work for Novartis willing to share their negative experience, especially as long as they don't know why do you make this study, for which purpose. It might be confidential, but the question remains. It's like when you don't know if you're making things better or worse.

Anyway, I wish you good luck. Maybe it's a good idea wrapped up in the wrong package, I don't know. Take care.
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Old 16.12.2014, 14:32
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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

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Um, no, this was your original request:

"I am looking to undertake some research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

I have more information for anyone interested so please PM me.

I also welcome any experiences of Kelly Services and Novartis in general that people wish to share.

Thank you in advance for your attention to this thread."

And still waiting for answers to the questions:

why are you doing this research, i.e. has someone asked you to or is this a private study of your own?
if private, why?
to what purpose will the results of the study be put?
what qualifications do you have to run such a study?

These are simple questions and you should easily be able to answer them without compromising said study. Why you feel you can't make the answers public is beyond me. After all, all we want is the truth about why you need/want this info to start with.
Um, no . . I think the op stated that he/she was returning to the FOCUS of the original request and in doing so has re-worded it to try and make it a little clearer.
I have a question:
Why, those of us that have NEVER been involved in the companies in question, feel such need to know `the truth`. I assume that anyone who sends a PM will be supplied with more details and can then decide for themselves if they wish to participate further.
If we are not involved - what`s the point in getting into a frenzy about it? . . . let it go.

Is the op the only person in the history of the EF ever to use a quotation in order to make a point? I guess not - but at least it was accredited and to the right person.
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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

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Why, those of us that have NEVER been involved in the companies in question, feel such need to know `the truth`. I assume that anyone who sends a PM will be supplied with more details and can then decide for themselves if they wish to participate further.
If we are not involved - what`s the point in getting into a frenzy about it? . . . let it go.
1) Anyone who PMs is effectively saying "I work for Kelly for Novartis" information which the OP may use for other purposes. For example, the OP may represent an alternative supplier to Novartis of temporary staff

2) The OP is requesting assistance of a small subset of people but the purpose is kept hidden. The question that is then raise is "Why such a small subset?". Why the focus on a single supplier/client relationship.

3) Some members may not have thought to raise doubts about the validity of such a request - the forum as a whole has attempts to encourage the OP to be more open.

The flipside of that is that had the OP asked the question: For my PHD I am studying "The impact of outsourcing of services by multinationals", and would like speak with people from all sides who have had experience of this, they would have likely got a lot more positive feedback
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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

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Some of you on this thread appear to be doing your best to discredit me [...]
No need to, you're doing an excellent job yourself. The longer you take answering the question the more suspicious people will become.

The amount and quality of replies you get SCREAM that many people on here (not me) have relevant info they'd be willing to share if you gave enough info to make people at least not distrust you. If yours were a genuine study you'd have answered most questions asked on here even before they got asked. Not doing so makes you and your "independent study" look more and more shady.

Additionally, info by PM are (by EF rules) confidential and thus neither to be discussed here in the open nor among participants in private. This is not what a trustworthy person would do with data that will become public anyway.

Frankly, and with all due respect, you're a fool and the biggest enemy of the aims you claim to have. Unless of course your motives were shady and untrustworthy.
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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

Urs Max, I don't understand what you have just said.


I am asking people to PM for me to introduce myself not for their information so what exactly have I asked for that is sharing confidential information with anyone on this thread since its my information I am sharing in order to make next steps in the process.


I have clearly said NUMEROUS times that I am not asking for confidential information to be shared over the internet. Either in PM or in the thread.


Talk about misinformation.


And since I and others have mentioned confidentiality agreements, information is only shared when due diligence is done.


BTW, not the gladiator arena of the EF type due diligence.
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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

answer the question you've been asked or do everyone a favour and bugger off
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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

I think your comment constitutes a step too far BB2.


Why should I bugger off?


Moderator?
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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

I'm so bothered
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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

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I have clearly said NUMEROUS times that I am not asking for confidential information to be shared over the internet. Either in PM or in the thread.
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1) Anyone who PMs is effectively saying "I work for Kelly for Novartis" information which the OP may use for other purposes. For example, the OP may represent an alternative supplier to Novartis of temporary staff
Because you are unable to grasp the basics. By PMing you on this topic a person is openly stating they are working for Kelly for Novartis - which, if you are a rival supplier, could give you an advantage in the market.

So, back the original questions:
- Why are you doing this research?
- Who is funding it?
- Why is your sample size so small and specific?
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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

I actually took the time to read through the 6 pages of rubbish this thread turned into and I really wonder why people are still replying to the OP?
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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

Its almost christmas, most people have left the office for hols, and those that remain are a bit bored

that's my excuse

was entertaining for a while, then the op got very very boring / annoying

(and should bugger off)
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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

Maybe we should all PM the OP and tell him/her we work for Novartis through Kelly. Even if we don't. Or do.
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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

I'm sure the management of Kelly already have
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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

So some of you are attempting to force me to name myself publically on this thread since I am working on this research independently.


I have stated it is not for a company especially any company dealing with staffing or the pharmaceutical industry.


Not to mention I am a woman. That much must have been obvious from my username. BB2, that could be obvious or maybe not?.....


What exactly do some of you want? BLOOD? Torn ligaments? A Lion?
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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

OP are you a masochist? Do you like being beaten up?
There are many smart people here who have asked valid questions. In my experience research is usually a collaborative effort. Since it appears that this is not working here I suggest you give in this time. Maybe look elsewhere?
This thread is now exhausted and should be closed for the benefit of all , including you , so no more time is wasted . Let's face it this is not the best basis for commencing a research project and you know it. Give up now please.
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I actually took the time to read through the 6 pages of rubbish this thread turned into and I really wonder why people are still replying to the OP?

It's like a scab. You know it will heal more quickly if you just leave alone but somehow you just can't.

The other issue is that if you do opinion research on a regular basis, this manner of eliciting responses in without transparency makes the Angels cry, and you feel compelled to speak out.

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Re: Research on experiences of employees contracted via Kelly Services at Novartis.

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I actually took the time to read through the 6 pages of rubbish this thread turned into and I really wonder why people are still replying to the OP?

Wednesday popcorn thread came a bit early this week!
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