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Voluntarily quitting my job

After 5 and a half years at my job, I've decided to quit and plan to write my "Kündigungsbrief" in the next day or two, such that it will be delivered by the end of the month. After that, there will remain 2 months of work until my last day.

My ability to work autonomously has been reduced to a level I find unacceptable and I've sat down on numerous occasions with my boss and my boss' boss, once in the presence of HR, to try and find a solution. I have full support of my boss' boss, but my direct supervisor feels threatened and has taken to reversing my work plans and actions. The latest reversal will make it difficult to meet very demanding goals and it will result in even greater pressure on me than I am already under to deliver results.

The work relationship with my boss is quite strained. He threatens to get even with me when I get advice from HR or talk to his boss about difficulties. The latest is refusing to do the yearly internal employee evaluation for me which he's done for all the other members of our group. Meanwhile, I get lauded from my boss' boss for the quality of my work. Luckily I have two "Zwischenzeugnisse" (employee evaluations) that attest to my being highly knowledgeable, competent and comittted etc.
I'm fully aware that there could be repercussions when it comes to RAV. After reading advice in Beobachter, it seems that benefits could be denied for up to 3 months for someone who voluntarily leaves the job, but it's quite rare to be completely denied benefits.

I'm also aware that tough times lie ahead and I've given this a lot of thought. I have a 2 year non-compete agreement which means I will be leaving a 30 year career, probably permanently, and will head into the unknown. However, I don't have any qualms about whether this is the right decision. It would be nice to hear from EFers on their experiences, and I expect there'll be some advice, whether I want it or not!
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Re: Voluntarily quitting my job

Already one question. If you have been there more than one year, the notice period (from both sides) would be 3 months and not 2 as you mention. Do you have something else in your contract?

A comment on the non-compete. Even though you will (hopefully) get some comments/suggestions on the non-compete clause from EF, you really need to see a very sharp labour lawyer to review your contract and to understand what this means for your ability to find another job. There are a lot of Federal Court decisions on what can and can not be done when an employee leaves or is let go.

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Whatever situation you are in: first get a new job, then resign.
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Re: Voluntarily quitting my job

Yeah, as difficult as it is, it is much easier to get a new job while still employed. Perhaps give yourself a dedicated 6 months of job searching now and hang there for that time and then move to a new job or resign if necessary.
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Whatever situation you are in: first get a new job, then resign.
I knew this bit of advice wouldn't be long in coming! And normally I would agree. In my case, the job is so draining, physically and emotionally, that it's finally time to leave, just for my sanity and health. Having to constantly defend my work strategy is taking its toll, especially when accompanied by insults and threats. This has already been a long time coming. In addition, it's common for me to work 12 hour days and it's completely disruptive to having a normal life. I do take comp time, though.

The job hunt is in full swing already. So far I'm looking to stay in Switzerland - I'm a C-permit - but will leave eventually if I don't find anything here.

Also, I suspect I'll need retraining. I need to be free to do this.
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Re: Voluntarily quitting my job

If you are really suffering from stress, burnout, fatigue and have physical and psychological symptoms, best to see a doctor.
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If you are really suffering from stress, burnout, fatigue and have physical and psychological symptoms, best to see a doctor.
Good on you for not 'falling' for that route. It may sound 'easy' in the short term, but who wants to have their personal records tarnished forever (which is the reality out there, whatever some of you may think). Bravo and bonne chance.
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I knew this bit of advice wouldn't be long in coming! And normally I would agree. In my case, the job is so draining, physically and emotionally, that it's finally time to leave, just for my sanity and health. Having to constantly defend my work strategy is taking its toll, especially when accompanied by insults and threats. This has already been a long time coming. In addition, it's common for me to work 12 hour days and it's completely disruptive to having a normal life. I do take comp time, though.

The job hunt is in full swing already. So far I'm looking to stay in Switzerland - I'm a C-permit - but will leave eventually if I don't find anything here.

Also, I suspect I'll need retraining. I need to be free to do this.
About " it's common for me to work 12 hour days " Stop doing that and instead spend your time looking for a new job.
What is the worst they can do? Fire you? Then you will be eligible for RAV benefits earlier.

Anyway if you are so indispensable in your department as you claim then they cannot fire you?
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Re: Voluntarily quitting my job

Thanks to all for the kind and helpful comments
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I knew this bit of advice wouldn't be long in coming! And normally I would agree. In my case, the job is so draining, physically and emotionally, that it's finally time to leave, just for my sanity and health. Having to constantly defend my work strategy is taking its toll, especially when accompanied by insults and threats. This has already been a long time coming. In addition, it's common for me to work 12 hour days and it's completely disruptive to having a normal life. I do take comp time, though.

The job hunt is in full swing already. So far I'm looking to stay in Switzerland - I'm a C-permit - but will leave eventually if I don't find anything here.

Also, I suspect I'll need retraining. I need to be free to do this.
To me your approach and mentality here seems wrong. You are slogging your guts out for this company while getting no recognition and taking verbal abuse? No wonder you are super stressed.

Kick back, relax, do 8.2 hour workdays, and stop giving too much of a damn. Tell your boss to politely go **** himself, and go to HR again to really point out this lack of review etc and make sure it is all recorded. Couldn't you even record some of the abuse you get? Have any colleagues also noticed this and would maybe be willing to speak up on your behalf? Does your bosses boss not see all of this also?

I really, REALLY would not quit the job... I would use it for the income while looking for additional work. Take sick days to do interviews and research. The last thing you should ever do is give up the job so you are struggling to make ends meet, it s a total no-no unless you are at the border of a mental breakdown, which you actually do not seem to be. Change your working attitude at this company to compensate for your treatment, do the minimum required and use them as a platform to find something else. If they fire you they fire you, but at least that will give you time to look for other things and regular income in your account.

Quitting will do nothing but put yourself at hardship, it is strategically unwise.

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Sigh, what meaningless (though I'm sure well-intentioned) claptrap. Of course it can go wrong, it often does.

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Re: Voluntarily quitting my job

The OP appears to be the victim of mobbing from their immediate line manager.

This website appears to give some useful advice.

http://www.mobbing-zentrale.ch/de/wi...i-do-about-it/

Also check this EF post by NotAllThere and the surrounding thread.

Mobbing in Switzerland

and this

Help me mobbing my colleague!!!!

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Already one question. If you have been there more than one year, the notice period (from both sides) would be 3 months and not 2 as you mention. Do you have something else in your contract?

A comment on the non-compete. Even though you will (hopefully) get some comments/suggestions on the non-compete clause from EF, you really need to see a very sharp labour lawyer to review your contract and to understand what this means for your ability to find another job. There are a lot of Federal Court decisions on what can and can not be done when an employee leaves or is let go.

Good luck.
My contract stipulates 2 months' notice.

Regarding the non-compete, if I found the right job then I would probably fight it since it's not possible to remain in my field otherwise. But there doesn't seem to be much by way of jobs to be had in my field, so this may not come up.
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Re: Voluntarily quitting my job

I find that putting together a budget/financial plan for the next 12-24 months before you leave helps alleviate a lot of the stress money-wise at least so that you know where you stand. That also gives breathing/headspace to think about other things.

No one should have to put up with an abusive work situation, but I would consider strongly coming clean with your boss' boss right before you hand in the letter. He/she seems supportive of you and may be able to change the situation for you (move you to a different group?) - he/she would probably not want to lose you for a number of reasons.
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I find that putting together a budget/financial plan for the next 12-24 months before you leave helps alleviate a lot of the stress money-wise at least so that you know where you stand. That also gives breathing/headspace to think about other things.

No one should have to put up with an abusive work situation, but I would consider strongly coming clean with your boss' boss right before you hand in the letter. He/she seems supportive of you and may be able to change the situation for you (move you to a different group?) - he/she would probably not want to lose you for a number of reasons.
I'll need to scrounge up some income from somewhere to make ends meet. The first will be to rent out the extra bedroom I have at home. The rest will take a bit more creativity. A long, hard look at my finances has already been done. I definitely expect some hard times ahead.

I've spent this month doing everything in my power to find solutions with my boss and my boss' boss, in a non-conflictual way. I've also indicated that the current situation isn't sustainable. HR supports my efforts at communication. I've checked into changing departments - but I'm needed where I am. My boss' boss doesn't have the power to change the situation much. He and my boss aren't on the best of terms, either. I think I've given it my best shot and the result is a worsening relationship with my boss.

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non-compete does not mean you can't work in your area. It can mean you are not allowed to poach customers from your employer's customer. Non-compete may also only concern a geographic delimitation. Nobody can prevent you from earning your life with your skills.
The non compete is quite specific and it covers the main activity of my career. World-wide. Precisely for this reason I believe I could fight it if need be. Just that I don't think I'll get the opportunity.

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If you are really suffering from stress, burnout, fatigue and have physical and psychological symptoms, best to see a doctor.
Already did! A burnout is coming but I'm determined to avoid it. The doc talked at length with me about my ability to ward off stress. So far I'm managing, but the doc wants a follow up in a month. I got a full check-up and some vitamins, otherwise it's up to me to see that I sleep well at night.

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Re: Voluntarily quitting my job

It sounds like you're making the right decision! Don't worry, it's always a little scarier than it is in reality before the jump! I'm sure you will be much relieved as well, after.

If you own your home (or have rights to do so) - consider letting the room on Airbnb - I know people that make a good income doing this! Just an idea.
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The non compete is quite specific and it covers the main activity of my career. World-wide. Precisely for this reason I believe I could fight it if need be. Just that I don't think I'll get the opportunity.
In Switzerland such clauses may well be invalid, you need to be able to make good use of your experience, and obvioulsy recent years are the most important.

On a realted note, you may know "Konventionalstrafe" (KS): Say, for some reason you agree to stay with the company for, say, two years and pay some KS for every month you leave early. A few years back I saw a verdict say that any KS above 500.- a month, and for more than two years total (i.e. 12000CHF grand total) is abusive and automatically void. The case was about a lower management bank employee, so it wasn't as if that was 10% of his salary. Essentially, the verdict said KS must not hinder peoples job mobility.

By the same logic, the conditions in your contract may well be basically void. Don't poach your employers customers, and that's about all he can demand.
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My contract stipulates 2 months' notice.

Regarding the non-compete, if I found the right job then I would probably fight it since it's not possible to remain in my field otherwise. But there doesn't seem to be much by way of jobs to be had in my field, so this may not come up.
non-compete does not mean you can't work in your area. It can mean you are not allowed to poach customers from your employer's customer. Non-compete may also only concern a geographic delimitation. Nobody can prevent you from earning your life with your skills.
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non-compete does not mean you can't work in your area. It can mean you are not allowed to poach customers from your employer's customer. Non-compete may also only concern a geographic delimitation. Nobody can prevent you from earning your life with your skills.
I think there is some truth to this. My previous employer had a clause in the contract that stipulated that one could not work for a competitor in not just CH but in all of Europe for 3 years. I know another person in the same trade whose company states that you cannot work for another competitor EVER.

I had it removed, but all other people who work there have this in their contract. I am also pretty sure they (my previous company) mean ALL competitors not just those that have contacts with the company.

However, I have talked to a number of people and I am pretty sure it is illegal as this poster says; they cannot deny you your livelihood, and with a 30 year career (presumably in the same field?), this would most certainly pertain to the skills you need to get another job. However, you might have to fight it in case they try to be difficult.

If you don't have it, I'd get legal insurance ASAP as there is a 3 month waiting period before you can use it for work issues. Even if you may not stay in the same field, one never knows.

I understand you completely when you say you are drained physically and emotionally from your job. Been there, done that.

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Already one question. If you have been there more than one year, the notice period (from both sides) would be 3 months and not 2 as you mention. Do you have something else in your contract?

A comment on the non-compete. Even though you will (hopefully) get some comments/suggestions on the non-compete clause from EF, you really need to see a very sharp labour lawyer to review your contract and to understand what this means for your ability to find another job. There are a lot of Federal Court decisions on what can and can not be done when an employee leaves or is let go.

Good luck.
The standard legal minimum notice period is 2 months for employment fron over 1 year to 9 years. After 10 years it's 3 months.
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The standard legal minimum notice period is 2 months for employment fron over 1 year to 9 years. After 10 years it's 3 months.
I am not really sure about that. I am working in Zurich in an international company and we have notice period of 1 month in the first year, 2 months in the second year and 3 months starting from the 3rd year. May be some companies have different rules and regulations?
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