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Hello,

I'm an experienced (7 years) Java software developer from Bosnia and Herzegovina with Computer Science B.Sc degree. I'm trying to find a permanent English-speaking job position in Switzerland. Being totally aware of complicated procedures and immigration quotas which are applied for third-country (non-EU/EEA) nationals, I still decided to give it a shot.

At first, I contacted a lot of recruitment agencies, like: CBA, Experis, Michael Bailey, NonStop Digital, Nordwand Group, RM IT Professional Resources, Stamford Consultants, Swisslinx, Nordwand Group, and many more. In summary, they told me that my profile matches a lot of their job vacancies. But, it is impossible for them to organize permits for third-country nationals. Or, that it is so hard, slow and expensive that it doesn't make sense for them to do it.

Some of recruitment agencies suggested me to contact large international companies, because they usually do this kind of stuff when their workers migrate from other countries to Switzerland. So I contacted some big international companies like: Cognizant, EPAM Systems, Noser Engineering, etc. I got the same response as from recruitment agencies.

So, my questions are:
1. Do you know some software development company or recruitment agency which usually accepts job applications from third country (non-EU/EEA) nationals, and which organizes work and residence permits during employment process?
2. Are there some non-EU/EEA software developers on forum with success story of finding employment and getting residence/work permits? If there are, I would like to hear their experience?!

Also, if anybody has some useful advices for me, I would be very grateful.

Thanks.
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Old 23.04.2015, 17:42
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Re: Non-EU/EEA national looking for a job opportunity

An agency isn't really going to be able to help you much as they can't do anything on the permit side. Only employers can apply for a permit for a non-EU and this has to be approved by the Swiss authorities.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...zulassung.html

The question, as always, is - are your qualifications/experience better than a Swiss/EU national or someone else who already lives here. If they are then an employer may decide to take the time and expense of proving you're the best person for the job. If not, they won't.

Have a look on these websites:

www.jobs.ch
www.jobup.ch
www.monster.co.uk (change the location setting to Switzerland - it can be done, but it's stubborn about changing over sometimes )
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Old 23.04.2015, 18:21
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Re: Non-EU/EEA national looking for a job opportunity

In cases like this, there are basically two reasons why a company would hire you:

1. You have some awesome skills and/or credentials. It needs to be somewhat niche almost by definition, since non-niche areas will have lots of local talent (as in the EU-18 area).
2. They really like you personally or you have some sort of connections.

Now, for big companies, only #1 applies really, since you have to be in the good graces of someone really high up to be able to circumvent all the bureaucracy. Big co's are simply not going to bother with the permit quagmire unless you are some truly rare talent.

This leaves small(ish) companies, where your best bet is to get in touch with them personally and see if they somehow take a liking to you. Try to do a lot of networking, see if you can somehow meet employees during conventions and expos perhaps?

That's how I got here many years ago (also as a non-EU at the time) in my early 20s. Completely coincidentally I got in touch with a person and we just clicked. We kept in touch and when the opportunity presented itself, they organized my permit for me. The person is my very close friend to this day.

If someone really wants you, they'll put together enough paperwork to satisfy the authorities and you will get a permit, even if there are technically tons of people here who could do what you do. It's just taking all that trouble that is the barrier to entry.
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In cases like this, there are basically two reasons why a company would hire you:



1. You have some awesome skills and/or credentials. It needs to be somewhat niche almost by definition, since non-niche areas will have lots of local talent (as in the EU-18 area).

2. They really like you personally or you have some sort of connections.

3. You have normal skills but are willing to join a company's program called will-work-for-lower-than-locals-salary.
This works as follows: a company wants a skilled, trained, experienced and hard working professional for a fresh graduate (but legal) salary. Of course they wait and nobody competent enough from the EU shows up...
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Re: Non-EU/EEA national looking for a job opportunity

I'm also non EU and came here through the permit process, as myself I know quite a large amount of people on same situation in IT, they came from Brazil, Argentina, Ukraine, India ... on all those stories there's a lot persistence involved. On my experience there's always quite a resistance from HR to do the process, so it will depend a lot on the manager be able to see you an special skill and insist that you are the candidate A.

My tip:
- invest on your skills
- get certifications on hard to find skills.
- apply for positions where your skills are a good match.
- invest on learn German.

Good lucky.
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Re: Non-EU/EEA national looking for a job opportunity

Thank you all for the info. If I can ask two more questions about agencies:

1. Are there any agencies that can hire non-EU people only to body-lease them to other companies? I'm asking this because I believe these agencies exist in Germany for example. They can hire non-EU people, manage their immigration papers, and lease them to other companies then. Is there something similar in Switzerland?

2. Is it worth to apply to job positions published over recruiter agencies as a non-EU at all? Most of the open positions are published over recruiter agencies. Since I'm a non-EU I assume they will eliminate me immediately without informing their client company at all about me.

I'm trying to understand if these agencies are of any help for me or I should simply avoid them totally and rely on direct contact with big companies?!
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Thank you all for the info. If I can ask two more questions about agencies:

1. Are there any agencies that can hire non-EU people only to body-lease them to other companies? I'm asking this because I believe these agencies exist in Germany for example. They can hire non-EU people, manage their immigration papers, and lease them to other companies then. Is there something similar in Switzerland?

2. Is it worth to apply to job positions published over recruiter agencies as a non-EU at all? Most of the open positions are published over recruiter agencies. Since I'm a non-EU I assume they will eliminate me immediately without informing their client company at all about me.

I'm trying to understand if these agencies are of any help for me or I should simply avoid them totally and rely on direct contact with big companies?!
1. No.

2. Not really I think. You're probably better off going direct. I agree with msolis, make yourself as unique as you can. I don't know your industry, but I would guess that a B.Sc isn't going to cut it, most applicants here will have a Masters on their CVs so whether your years of experience would balance that out I don't know.
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Re: Non-EU/EEA national looking for a job opportunity

Did you try applying to GOOG?. It may take half a year but they do a lot for the talent
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